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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7595901" data-attributes="member: 6801845"><p>Which is exactly the same issue I've had ... which <em>always</em> gets countered by "you're misrepresenting what we're saying" and then something about how players don't call for skill checks. Which is exactly what we've been saying.</p><p></p><p>A wall in the way with no door, way around or ladder? "I make a 19 athletics check" is all a player needs to say. I know what they're doing, they're climbing the wall. If there was a ladder in the previous room or crates on the floor, obviously they are not using them otherwise they would have stated so. To say that we haven't communicated what the PC is doing and what their intent is is just silly. Same way that they can say in combat "I get 15, does that hit?" I don't quiz them on 15 what, 99% of the time we both know what they're doing. If for some reason unclear who they're attacking or how I'll ask.</p><p></p><p>When it comes to climbing or "I make a 15 perception check at the door" I <em>know</em> what they're doing, they know what they're doing. That doesn't mean I've "taken over their character" or that I'm going to do a DM gotcha, it's just that I don't want the game to go at a glacial pace while we all discuss how we climb the wall. It's just a wall. If the PC is going back to get a ladder or attack a different creature than they attacked last round or disengage from the monster they're currently fighting to go fight another one they will tell me. If there's an open hole in the wall and they tell me they're climbing, I'll prompt them about the hole. </p><p></p><p>But the vast majority of time? Telling me the result of a skill check tells me everything I need to know and there's no need for anything more. If they want to take a different approach I trust them to tell me. If climbing to the top of the wall will expose them to obvious danger that the PC is aware of, they trust me to prompt them about it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7595901, member: 6801845"] Which is exactly the same issue I've had ... which [I]always[/I] gets countered by "you're misrepresenting what we're saying" and then something about how players don't call for skill checks. Which is exactly what we've been saying. A wall in the way with no door, way around or ladder? "I make a 19 athletics check" is all a player needs to say. I know what they're doing, they're climbing the wall. If there was a ladder in the previous room or crates on the floor, obviously they are not using them otherwise they would have stated so. To say that we haven't communicated what the PC is doing and what their intent is is just silly. Same way that they can say in combat "I get 15, does that hit?" I don't quiz them on 15 what, 99% of the time we both know what they're doing. If for some reason unclear who they're attacking or how I'll ask. When it comes to climbing or "I make a 15 perception check at the door" I [I]know[/I] what they're doing, they know what they're doing. That doesn't mean I've "taken over their character" or that I'm going to do a DM gotcha, it's just that I don't want the game to go at a glacial pace while we all discuss how we climb the wall. It's just a wall. If the PC is going back to get a ladder or attack a different creature than they attacked last round or disengage from the monster they're currently fighting to go fight another one they will tell me. If there's an open hole in the wall and they tell me they're climbing, I'll prompt them about the hole. But the vast majority of time? Telling me the result of a skill check tells me everything I need to know and there's no need for anything more. If they want to take a different approach I trust them to tell me. If climbing to the top of the wall will expose them to obvious danger that the PC is aware of, they trust me to prompt them about it. [/QUOTE]
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