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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7597244" data-attributes="member: 97077"><p>I've been waiting for you to bring this up since your very first post in the thread. Luckily, I already addressed this upthread with Chaosmancer.</p><p></p><p>Being that "gaming" someone is by definition an unscrupulous, manipulative act, I don't agree that it's okay. I don't think the rules contemplate playing with people who would do this, nor is it advisable to play with such people in my view. The rules describe the people around the table as "friends." Friends don't do that in my book.</p><p></p><p>Plus, if you're the sort of DM who is getting gamed, then you're not living up to the standards set forth by the DMG for the DM: an impartial yet involved participant who acts as a referee that mediates between the rules and the players, one who sets limits, and who - by following the "middle path" - encourages the players to strike a balance between relying on their bonuses and abilities and paying attention to the game and immersing themselves in its world.</p><p></p><p>I used to make a "gaming the DM" argument during the playtest because I wanted D&D 5e (or D&D Next, as it was called) to be more like D&D 4e where the DM outsourced more judgment as to the efficacy of the players' ideas to the system and dice. I lost that argument and I'm glad I did because I learned that I was wrong. My hope is that others see that someday too.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7597244, member: 97077"] I've been waiting for you to bring this up since your very first post in the thread. Luckily, I already addressed this upthread with Chaosmancer. Being that "gaming" someone is by definition an unscrupulous, manipulative act, I don't agree that it's okay. I don't think the rules contemplate playing with people who would do this, nor is it advisable to play with such people in my view. The rules describe the people around the table as "friends." Friends don't do that in my book. Plus, if you're the sort of DM who is getting gamed, then you're not living up to the standards set forth by the DMG for the DM: an impartial yet involved participant who acts as a referee that mediates between the rules and the players, one who sets limits, and who - by following the "middle path" - encourages the players to strike a balance between relying on their bonuses and abilities and paying attention to the game and immersing themselves in its world. I used to make a "gaming the DM" argument during the playtest because I wanted D&D 5e (or D&D Next, as it was called) to be more like D&D 4e where the DM outsourced more judgment as to the efficacy of the players' ideas to the system and dice. I lost that argument and I'm glad I did because I learned that I was wrong. My hope is that others see that someday too. [/QUOTE]
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