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<blockquote data-quote="Swarmkeeper" data-source="post: 7597870" data-attributes="member: 6921763">Agreed.&nbsp; All I am saying is that, in our game, the player gets to have a sense of what happens upon failure.&nbsp; Maybe not the full picture, but enough to allow them to determine if they really want to try the action or not.&nbsp; The tension and drama occur when they risk it anyway (which they almost always do) or regroup to figure out another way.Perhaps the &quot;big red button&quot; is just a metaphor, but pushing a button is not in the same ability check category as these other challenges we are describing - smashing down a door, leaping across a pit, or getting across a beam.&nbsp; The PC either pushes the button or they don't.&nbsp; I don't think any style of play is going to makes someone roll for that and there's no need to provide a consequence of failure.&nbsp; What happens after the PC pushes the button certainly could be a mystery assuming, for example, there's no label near the button and/or an NPC who could tell them what happens.&nbsp; But, we're kinda off topic here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Swarmkeeper, post: 7597870, member: 6921763"] Agreed. All I am saying is that, in our game, the player gets to have a sense of what happens upon failure. Maybe not the full picture, but enough to allow them to determine if they really want to try the action or not. The tension and drama occur when they risk it anyway (which they almost always do) or regroup to figure out another way. Perhaps the "big red button" is just a metaphor, but pushing a button is not in the same ability check category as these other challenges we are describing - smashing down a door, leaping across a pit, or getting across a beam. The PC either pushes the button or they don't. I don't think any style of play is going to makes someone roll for that and there's no need to provide a consequence of failure. What happens after the PC pushes the button certainly could be a mystery assuming, for example, there's no label near the button and/or an NPC who could tell them what happens. But, we're kinda off topic here. [/QUOTE]

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