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If an NPC is telling the truth, what's the Insight DC to know they're telling the truth?
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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7598043" data-attributes="member: 6919838"><p>"Here's a question: what's coddling players more, telegraphing the nature of the consequence of a failure, or not even having failures trigger meaningful consequences? Talk about irony!"</p><p></p><p>If a check is being made, it's being made to reflect an action - an attempt to do something. Even if its only "you didn't get it" that is a consequence. How meaningful the consequence is or will be is a matter of context, regardless of the degree to which it is played thru in game orvthru meta-game negotiations.</p><p></p><p>"You take 3d6 poison damage from needle trap" may be very meaningful for a 1st level group still in a dungeon or other risky situation. But for a 5th level party relaxing in their inn before a night's rest, it's likely far from meaningful - trivial. But since the party has not ben told in advance that is the case, a check is made anyway.</p><p></p><p>It's when the context is removed that you get into whacky misperceptions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7598043, member: 6919838"] "Here's a question: what's coddling players more, telegraphing the nature of the consequence of a failure, or not even having failures trigger meaningful consequences? Talk about irony!" If a check is being made, it's being made to reflect an action - an attempt to do something. Even if its only "you didn't get it" that is a consequence. How meaningful the consequence is or will be is a matter of context, regardless of the degree to which it is played thru in game orvthru meta-game negotiations. "You take 3d6 poison damage from needle trap" may be very meaningful for a 1st level group still in a dungeon or other risky situation. But for a 5th level party relaxing in their inn before a night's rest, it's likely far from meaningful - trivial. But since the party has not ben told in advance that is the case, a check is made anyway. It's when the context is removed that you get into whacky misperceptions. [/QUOTE]
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