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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6031388" data-attributes="member: 87792">This is one huge place I part ways with The Forge.&nbsp; Incoherence or rather flexibility is a good thing as it offers things to people interested in more than one type of play and, over a campaign, allows much more flexibilty in the game.&nbsp; Humans aren't pure and don't do well with attempts at purity.&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/bard.htm" target="_blank">The Bard</a>.Bardic Knowledge

A bard may make a special bardic knowledge check with a bonus equal to his bard level + his Intelligence modifier to see whether he knows some relevant information about local notable people, legendary items, or noteworthy places. (If the bard has 5 or more ranks in <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm" target="_blank">Knowledge</a> (history), he gains a +2 bonus on this check.) 
A successful bardic knowledge check will not reveal the powers of a magic item but may give a hint as to its general function. A bard may not <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/usingSkills.htm#taking10" target="_blank">take 10</a> or <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/usingSkills.htm#taking20" target="_blank">take 20</a> on this check; this sort of knowledge is essentially random. 
Given that BBEGs are normally notable people for somewhere, the Bard can roll for them too.&nbsp; That's an extremely powerful knowledge ability they get for free.&nbsp; And they also have 6+Int skill points/level as against the wizard's 2+Int.&nbsp; Breadth of knowledge for a loremaster character isn't even close.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6031388, member: 87792"] This is one huge place I part ways with The Forge. Incoherence or rather flexibility is a good thing as it offers things to people interested in more than one type of play and, over a campaign, allows much more flexibilty in the game. Humans aren't pure and don't do well with attempts at purity. [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/bard.htm"]The Bard[/URL]. [INDENT][B]Bardic Knowledge[/B] A bard may make a special bardic knowledge check with a bonus equal to his bard level + his Intelligence modifier to see whether he knows some relevant information about local notable people, legendary items, or noteworthy places. (If the bard has 5 or more ranks in [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm"][COLOR=#0000ff]Knowledge[/COLOR][/URL] (history), he gains a +2 bonus on this check.) A successful bardic knowledge check will not reveal the powers of a magic item but may give a hint as to its general function. A bard may not [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/usingSkills.htm#taking10"][COLOR=#0000ff]take 10[/COLOR][/URL] or [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/usingSkills.htm#taking20"][COLOR=#0000ff]take 20[/COLOR][/URL] on this check; this sort of knowledge is essentially random. [/INDENT] Given that BBEGs are normally notable people for somewhere, the Bard can roll for them too. That's an [I]extremely[/I] powerful knowledge ability they get for free. And they also have 6+Int skill points/level as against the wizard's 2+Int. Breadth of knowledge for a loremaster character isn't even close. [/QUOTE]

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