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<blockquote data-quote="Kaodi" data-source="post: 5589302" data-attributes="member: 1231">If conversation were to work like combat, at least in principle, how might you implement it? Of course, depending on which system you are using, this is going to be somewhat different, but for my purposes I am concerned with 3e/Pathfinder and 4E. Were I building such a system for Pathfinder, for instance, I can imagine that each class might have a die for their speech points (like hit points) and their base rhetoric or argument bonus, as well as maybe intimidate, bluff, and diplomacy saves. Bard would probably be really badass in this way, with d12, good argument, and good bluff and diplomacy saves. Barbarian would be awful, with d6, bad arguments, but good intimidate saves. Or something like all that. Wisdom bonus would be added to speech points per level, charisma would be added to direct arguments, and intelligence to indirect arguments. The equivalent of Armor Class might be a little trickier... Proficiences would have to do with certain kinds of debate. For 4E, it would be rather different of course. You would still have speech points, and intimidate, bluff, and diplomacy defenses. Conversational &quot;powers&quot; though could be interesting. Like &quot;Forceful Retort, Encounter, Immediate Reaction, Direct, Target: Creature who has just debated you, Attack: Wisdom vs Diplomacy, 2(W) + Wisdom modifier damage, and the target is speechless (save ends).&quot; Or something like that...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kaodi, post: 5589302, member: 1231"] If conversation were to work like combat, at least in principle, how might you implement it? Of course, depending on which system you are using, this is going to be somewhat different, but for my purposes I am concerned with 3e/Pathfinder and 4E. Were I building such a system for Pathfinder, for instance, I can imagine that each class might have a die for their speech points (like hit points) and their base rhetoric or argument bonus, as well as maybe intimidate, bluff, and diplomacy saves. Bard would probably be really badass in this way, with d12, good argument, and good bluff and diplomacy saves. Barbarian would be awful, with d6, bad arguments, but good intimidate saves. Or something like all that. Wisdom bonus would be added to speech points per level, charisma would be added to direct arguments, and intelligence to indirect arguments. The equivalent of Armor Class might be a little trickier... Proficiences would have to do with certain kinds of debate. For 4E, it would be rather different of course. You would still have speech points, and intimidate, bluff, and diplomacy defenses. Conversational "powers" though could be interesting. Like "Forceful Retort, Encounter, Immediate Reaction, Direct, Target: Creature who has just debated you, Attack: Wisdom vs Diplomacy, 2(W) + Wisdom modifier damage, and the target is speechless (save ends)." Or something like that... [/QUOTE]

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