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<blockquote data-quote="Ace" data-source="post: 8193883" data-attributes="member: 944">I do not think D&amp;D could be created today and some alternate world or maybe&nbsp; nightmarish dystopia where Gygax and Arneson never existed would not have anything like modern RPG's and that includes computer games.&nbsp; We's have sims and piloting games and star ship tactical games but probably no RPG's. Even the first text RPG's like Colossal Cave were contemporary with D&amp;D , a bit after it actually D&amp;D itself&nbsp; came from wargames which would have been long gone. No 40K or Warhammer either This means no idea of playing individual heroes which is the core of D&amp;D.Something folks may not know but was common for gamers well into the 90's to have read most of or all of Appendix N (I'm one book short but its on my shelf now) a and without those limited&nbsp; touchstones everyone knew&nbsp; , there would be no ability to create&nbsp; a common foundation for RPG'sThese days there is not a common cultural foundation to draw from that would allow D&amp;D to become a popular hobby not does a world as atomized by technology as ours is going to be one in which a social hobby like D&amp;D takes root. No long lazy summers hanging out and playing D&amp;D in 2020 Frankly I'm not sure we'd have as much fantasy lit&nbsp; in our culture, There would still be Tolkien but probably no Howard, Lovecraft and a great deal of the modern fantasy writers would be writing something else. Maybe even no Harry Potter is the Zeitgeist was too differentI'd guess&nbsp; no cosplay , no LARPING and roleplaying would either be a&nbsp; therapeutic technique or something for the bedroom.&nbsp; It is possible Renfaire (these came out in 1966) or light-saber sparring or HEMA&nbsp; might develop into LARPING and into eventually into tabletop play but&nbsp; its a difficult road. I don't think it would be SF either&nbsp; SF was never as popular and the culture that allowed Vampire the Masquerade to exist was D&amp;D. Its a different style of game but no D&amp;D, no VTM</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ace, post: 8193883, member: 944"] I do not think D&D could be created today and some alternate world or maybe nightmarish dystopia where Gygax and Arneson never existed would not have anything like modern RPG's and that includes computer games. We's have sims and piloting games and star ship tactical games but probably no RPG's. Even the first text RPG's like Colossal Cave were contemporary with D&D , a bit after it actually D&D itself came from wargames which would have been long gone. No 40K or Warhammer either This means no idea of playing individual heroes which is the core of D&D. Something folks may not know but was common for gamers well into the 90's to have read most of or all of Appendix N (I'm one book short but its on my shelf now) a and without those limited touchstones everyone knew , there would be no ability to create a common foundation for RPG's These days there is not a common cultural foundation to draw from that would allow D&D to become a popular hobby not does a world as atomized by technology as ours is going to be one in which a social hobby like D&D takes root. No long lazy summers hanging out and playing D&D in 2020 Frankly I'm not sure we'd have as much fantasy lit in our culture, There would still be Tolkien but probably no Howard, Lovecraft and a great deal of the modern fantasy writers would be writing something else. Maybe even no Harry Potter is the Zeitgeist was too different I'd guess no cosplay , no LARPING and roleplaying would either be a therapeutic technique or something for the bedroom. It is possible Renfaire (these came out in 1966) or light-saber sparring or HEMA might develop into LARPING and into eventually into tabletop play but its a difficult road. I don't think it would be SF either SF was never as popular and the culture that allowed Vampire the Masquerade to exist was D&D. Its a different style of game but no D&D, no VTM [/QUOTE]

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