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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8202091" data-attributes="member: 42582">The move from this to a map (like Diplomacy uses, predating Braunstein) does not seem that big a leap. I've never played a Braunstein, but I've played a similar game (a western) with the difference being that (i) the setting was a map rather than a room, with figures used to indicate location, and (ii) there was some very light wargaming-style rules for moving on the map, and referee resolution of some contested matters. I was playing the big dumb guy who had one stick of dynamite on him. My self-imposed mission was to use it!, though I can't remember now exactly who I blew up.The referee who set up and adjudicated this game was familiar with RPGs, but was much more of a Diplomacy player and wargamer than a RPGer. He, or someone like him, would not need the existence of D&D to go from Braunstein to single-figure movement on a map. There's an argument that Arneson's real innovation was to make the map hidden which is what turns the game from PvP to party-vs-referee.</blockquote>