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<blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 374218" data-attributes="member: 2358">The only problem with that statement is that . . . IT DOESN'T.&nbsp; It does comparable damage on a failed save (being left with that few hit points is the same as death in 99% of ALL circumstances where the spell will be used), and it still does reasonable damage on a successful save.Slay Living is what does a laughable amount of damage, being about 10.5 + caster level in damage.&nbsp; By the time you can cast the spells regularly, Harm is always doing more damage!&nbsp; (After Level 20, few enemies have LESS than 300 hit points.)Harm thus beats Slay Living in every aspect.&nbsp; Yeah, against vreatures with few hit points, Slay Living will do more.&nbsp; Why, however, would you cast Harm on something with fewer hit points?&nbsp; YOU WOULDN'T.&nbsp; Characters know what have loads of hit points and what don't, it ain't rocket science.Harm wins nearly every time, making your &quot;point&quot; invalid.It's a regular touch attack, and they're both basically save or die.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anubis, post: 374218, member: 2358"] The only problem with that statement is that . . . IT DOESN'T. It does comparable damage on a failed save (being left with that few hit points is the same as death in 99% of ALL circumstances where the spell will be used), and it still does reasonable damage on a successful save. Slay Living is what does a laughable amount of damage, being about 10.5 + caster level in damage. By the time you can cast the spells regularly, Harm is always doing more damage! (After Level 20, few enemies have LESS than 300 hit points.) Harm thus beats Slay Living in every aspect. Yeah, against vreatures with few hit points, Slay Living will do more. Why, however, would you cast Harm on something with fewer hit points? YOU WOULDN'T. Characters know what have loads of hit points and what don't, it ain't rocket science. Harm wins nearly every time, making your "point" invalid. It's a regular touch attack, and they're both basically save or die. [/QUOTE]

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