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Message: <blockquote data-quote="IceBear" data-source="post: 374657" data-attributes="member: 1118">Anubis, I don't *dislike* you.  I don't *agree* with you normally, and since I was having a bitch of a day I turned that into anger, which was why I said what I said.I don't typically go back and edit out things that I said because, well, I said them so they should be a matter of public record but in my subsequent post I did apologize.When I said I was being honest, I meant about just disagreeing with you for no good reason <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Anyway - as it seems we're discussing opposite ends of the game here so that's a lot of the reason why we disagree on the solution.  I personally don't have a problem with the dragon reduced to 1000hp rather than say 1600 (-400hp from a 20th level caster by your rule) as it still gives the dragon some breathing room to escape if nothing else.  It's the reduced to 1-4 hitpoints without a save that I didn't like.IceBear</blockquote>