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<blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 392147" data-attributes="member: 2486">Reasonable point, but most direct-damage touch or ranged touch spells tend to have no saving throw: the only major exception being the Inflict family.&nbsp; And with respect to non-ELH games, it makes much more sense.&nbsp; An 11th level cleric with 14 strength only has +10 to hit, so far from guaranteed against enemies with Dex, deflection bonuses, haste etc.&nbsp;Fair enough.&nbsp;Well, no.&nbsp; Flame Strike is a 10' RADIUS, meaning that it has a diameter of 20' and hence you get around 65 square feet.&nbsp; You should be able to catch more than one enemy with that.&nbsp;True: but Flame Strike is either a 4th or 5th level spell; Harm is 6th level and has to bear up against the likes of Blade Barrier (whose potential to dish out incredible amounts of damage is being discussed on another thread.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Al, post: 392147, member: 2486"] Reasonable point, but most direct-damage touch or ranged touch spells tend to have no saving throw: the only major exception being the Inflict family. And with respect to non-ELH games, it makes much more sense. An 11th level cleric with 14 strength only has +10 to hit, so far from guaranteed against enemies with Dex, deflection bonuses, haste etc. Fair enough. Well, no. Flame Strike is a 10' RADIUS, meaning that it has a diameter of 20' and hence you get around 65 square feet. You should be able to catch more than one enemy with that. True: but Flame Strike is either a 4th or 5th level spell; Harm is 6th level and has to bear up against the likes of Blade Barrier (whose potential to dish out incredible amounts of damage is being discussed on another thread.) [/QUOTE]

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