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<blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5594240" data-attributes="member: 71571">I should have specified.&nbsp; I don't have a problem with players that try to create effective characters.&nbsp; None at all.&nbsp; I figure that's a part of roleplaying in a game of power fantasy.What I take issue with is the idea that there's only one metric in doing so.&nbsp; Many CharOprs only care about damage.&nbsp; Nothing else.&nbsp; Just DPR.&nbsp; And as a result, they will denigrate builds that do not maximize damage.&nbsp; Even of those builds DO maximize other aspects of the game which are effective and fun for the player.I also have a problem with MinMaxing for the sake of MinMaxing.&nbsp; If you're making a swashbuckler type character, and take options that evoke swashbucklingness, and minmax that way, hey, cool.&nbsp; But if you just take a hodgepodge of abilities, and don't have some sort of credible reason why this hodgepodge could exist... it's not as cool.Take Linguist... a suboptimal feat according to most CharOp people cause it doesn't do DPR or nothing.&nbsp; In a game of political mechinations between cultures that do not share a language... it's the minmax choice.&nbsp; And that is okay.There's a difference between maximising effectiveness within your role (which is good) and maximising damage for the same of maximising damage and calling anything else 'suboptimal.'</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DracoSuave, post: 5594240, member: 71571"] I should have specified. I don't have a problem with players that try to create effective characters. None at all. I figure that's a part of roleplaying in a game of power fantasy. What I take issue with is the idea that there's only one metric in doing so. Many CharOprs only care about damage. Nothing else. Just DPR. And as a result, they will denigrate builds that do not maximize damage. Even of those builds DO maximize other aspects of the game which are effective and fun for the player. I also have a problem with MinMaxing for the sake of MinMaxing. If you're making a swashbuckler type character, and take options that evoke swashbucklingness, and minmax that way, hey, cool. But if you just take a hodgepodge of abilities, and don't have some sort of credible reason why this hodgepodge could exist... it's not as cool. Take Linguist... a suboptimal feat according to most CharOp people cause it doesn't do DPR or nothing. In a game of political mechinations between cultures that do not share a language... it's the minmax choice. And that is okay. There's a difference between maximising effectiveness within your role (which is good) and maximising damage for the same of maximising damage and calling anything else 'suboptimal.' [/QUOTE]

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