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<blockquote data-quote="The-Magic-Sword" data-source="post: 8560022" data-attributes="member: 6801252">Yeah, it varies within the game, its why when we bring someone into Pathfinder 2e there's classes I would and wouldn't suggest for a first timer-- the wall isn't insurmountable at all if the person wants, but by default I make sure they know the degree of internal complexity between say, a Rogue and a Swashbuckler. Similarly casting is always an 'extra' subsystem. But then again, you can make casters work easily enough by offering them a training-wheels approach to spell prep, I have a buddy whose somewhat rules-phobic (but is a digital project manager at a major defense contractor, and enjoys a suite of complex board games, and is perpetually bored to emphasize how little this has to do with ability or even time) but wanted a sorcerer, so when we made their character, I basically created a 'canned' spell selection where I chose some spells based off what they wanted to do (damage.) Further, its very easy to get by on one or two go-to spells if you want, its not optimal, but you'll pull your weight with something like Magic Missile spam. So even casters aren't that bad.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The-Magic-Sword, post: 8560022, member: 6801252"] Yeah, it varies within the game, its why when we bring someone into Pathfinder 2e there's classes I would and wouldn't suggest for a first timer-- the wall isn't insurmountable at all if the person wants, but by default I make sure they know the degree of internal complexity between say, a Rogue and a Swashbuckler. Similarly casting is always an 'extra' subsystem. But then again, you can make casters work easily enough by offering them a training-wheels approach to spell prep, I have a buddy whose somewhat rules-phobic (but is a digital project manager at a major defense contractor, and enjoys a suite of complex board games, and is perpetually bored to emphasize how little this has to do with ability or even time) but wanted a sorcerer, so when we made their character, I basically created a 'canned' spell selection where I chose some spells based off what they wanted to do (damage.) Further, its very easy to get by on one or two go-to spells if you want, its not optimal, but you'll pull your weight with something like Magic Missile spam. So even casters aren't that bad. [/QUOTE]

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