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<blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 5338199" data-attributes="member: 114">Agreed that the line between clerics and wizards is pretty blurry in Conan. I'm thinking of the Yara in &quot;Tower of the Elephant&quot; and Khemsa in &quot;Seers of the black circle&quot; here though, as they seemed more traditionally wizardy.The Belgariad is essentially a 'troupe' novel, the key idea of magic in it is that you need the will and the word to make something happen, and small things are easier than big things; there are not many wizards because it is quite easy for them to accidentally kill themselves while learning how to do magic well. Bel-something and Polgara are the main good guy wizards, there are some bad guy wizards too. The main troupe includes knock-offs of Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser amongst others <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Not very D&amp;D style magic though.The dating of fantasy books is an interesting topic in these discussions - I'd be happy to limit my discussion to books which appeared before D&amp;D did, in order to avoid RPG pollution, as it were!Cheers</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Plane Sailing, post: 5338199, member: 114"] Agreed that the line between clerics and wizards is pretty blurry in Conan. I'm thinking of the Yara in "Tower of the Elephant" and Khemsa in "Seers of the black circle" here though, as they seemed more traditionally wizardy. The Belgariad is essentially a 'troupe' novel, the key idea of magic in it is that you need the will and the word to make something happen, and small things are easier than big things; there are not many wizards because it is quite easy for them to accidentally kill themselves while learning how to do magic well. Bel-something and Polgara are the main good guy wizards, there are some bad guy wizards too. The main troupe includes knock-offs of Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser amongst others :) Not very D&D style magic though. The dating of fantasy books is an interesting topic in these discussions - I'd be happy to limit my discussion to books which appeared before D&D did, in order to avoid RPG pollution, as it were! Cheers [/QUOTE]

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