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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8710600" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So would you claim to know how to play the game of hockey better than professionals? Would you somehow put forth that the other team's wins are solely a factor of the Vancouver team not playing the game at a professional level? Whichever arguments you are about to make, now remember than hockey is a game of pure skill, and a DnD game always involves luck and random chance. So, if it is possible for good players to be simply outperformed by better players, what happens when one of the players is literally random chance that can do anything at any time?I'm not trying to say that it is NEVER the player's fault. Sometimes, people do the dumb. But there is far too much random chance in the game for it to not play a factor, and many of the people I am responding to state, definitively, that it is not random chance, but is completely the fault of the player, because of poor play. Not because your well-thought out plan didn't have all the information (Honestly the sheer number of people that seem to expect the player to have the precise DPR calculations of all monsters memorized), not because your well-thought out and well-informed plan failed do to poor luck, but that it was your fault, because you made the bad decisions that led to that plan possibly failing. We actually had someone in one of these threads say that failing a roll was the player's fault, because they should have known that failing a roll was possible. And this was involving a trap, that the player, in theory, would not know the exact stats of. It really seems like the idea is to stretch and find a way to make it about skill, when DnD is quite frankly, not a game of skill.</blockquote>

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