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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8710838" data-attributes="member: 6987520">In earlier years, I would agree completely. But with the players (groups) I've had playing 5E, caution seems to be thrown to the wind entirely...  <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷‍♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging    :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />And I think it would hardly be the first time our experiences differed radically. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Yep, it is called having a discussion. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Well, they said that was the case, challenging my view that most of the time it isn't just back luck. They were nice enough to provide details.Right, I wasn't there, which is why I wrote, "Now, if I had been there....".Well, I didn't say "it actually could have been back luck" in that the high damage roll was solely responsible for the druid's death. As I pointed out, an average 10th-level druid would have more HP (especially with any CON bonus) than the damage done. If they went into a BBEG fight with less than full hp, it was a tactical error unless they literally felt they had no choice (which I've acknowledged could be the case).No, it is random. The d20 is very swingy so it can be very random. That wasn't my point.My point was that most of the time PC death isn't caused just by random rolls, but by the decisions that led to those rolls being made.For example, the wizard choose to hide, so apparently with either out of range or out of line of sight to counterspell the sunburst. They might have failed even if they tried, but they never tried. Now, if they were out of line of sight due to being behind cover, the sunburst spell shouldn't have affected them IMO. Not knowing precisely, I can't say, I can only speculate.But in a game I recently played in, a player pressed against a powerful foe and died from a critical hit. If they had chosen to dodge instead, serving their goal of being the target, they would likely have survived because it wouldn't have been a critical hit (just 1 in 400 it still would have been).From what I know of their encounter, I understand their tactics but as a player would never have gone with it. Wolfpacking one target or the other, being close enough to support each other, etc., probably would have been sounder.</blockquote>

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