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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ShinHakkaider" data-source="post: 5322997" data-attributes="member: 9213">There's no anger here just mild annoyance with your discussion style. Your analogies make it seem like you're trying to move the goal posts in order to make your point and that doesn't work for me. Dragon Age, True 20, Scrabble, Checkers, Chess, Football (american and European) and Betty and Veronica are not D&D. v3.5 and 4E are D&D which is why a certain parallel is running through both of them in the minds of gamers who play and or have played both editions. When you start bringing in everything else and the kitchen sink it seem a little like your pulling things from the stratosphere in order to nullify the argument. I know that you think that it's fun and creative or whatever but to me it's just annoying and a little condescending. Especially that instead of using analogies we can just actually talk about the products themselves. That is as clear as I can get about this. at this point we're obviously talking past each other so I'm pretty much done. If you have anything else to say please do I'll be reading it but unless it takes a different direction I'll assume that we're at an impasse.</blockquote>