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<blockquote data-quote="JLXC" data-source="post: 4027258" data-attributes="member: 2663">That's not D&amp;D, it has never been D&amp;D, and I really hope 4E is not like that.&nbsp; In a game based on Magic, the magic is important.&nbsp; Without it, it's Anime or WoW.&nbsp; It's pathetic.&nbsp; It kills the very CORE of the whole game.&nbsp; There is no way, no way at all, to make D&amp;D work so that someone without magic has &quot;just as many&quot; options as someone without it.&nbsp; It's not remotely possible unless you nerf magic to uslessness.&nbsp; I just can't imagine how many people feel like this?If Wizards and Clerics are so unbelievable powerful, then why do I have a hard time getting players to actually play them?&nbsp; Oh, it's because Clerics are limited in their actions based on their god, and Wizards are not only hard to play but start off very weak.&nbsp; If what you're saying is true then how many groups of players are composed simply of Wizards and Clerics?&nbsp; Not freakin' many is my guess.&nbsp; So instead, let's nerf those classes and make sure a Fighter can heal and use magic.&nbsp; Finally!&nbsp; Fairness!Simply astounding.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JLXC, post: 4027258, member: 2663"] That's not D&D, it has never been D&D, and I really hope 4E is not like that. In a game based on Magic, the magic is important. Without it, it's Anime or WoW. It's pathetic. It kills the very CORE of the whole game. There is no way, no way at all, to make D&D work so that someone without magic has "just as many" options as someone without it. It's not remotely possible unless you nerf magic to uslessness. I just can't imagine how many people feel like this? If Wizards and Clerics are so unbelievable powerful, then why do I have a hard time getting players to actually play them? Oh, it's because Clerics are limited in their actions based on their god, and Wizards are not only hard to play but start off very weak. If what you're saying is true then how many groups of players are composed simply of Wizards and Clerics? Not freakin' many is my guess. So instead, let's nerf those classes and make sure a Fighter can heal and use magic. Finally! Fairness! Simply astounding. [/QUOTE]

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