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If the devils are how monsters will be....I am so happy
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<blockquote data-quote="med stud" data-source="post: 4027655" data-attributes="member: 1211"><p>I especially read the spell like abilities. What do you think I read when I read the write up? Beside those, there is nothing to analyze really. Within a combat there aren't really anything worth using besides Hold monster, quick Fireballs (since they are free) and the Meteor swarm, possibly. All those are uncertain in a situation where you face off against dangerous resistance (=PCs at those levels). If the pit fiend wastes one round (for example using hold monsters vs protected enemies) it will probably be hosed. The illusions could be useful if it has time to prepare it self. The illusions are the only thing I see which isn't about damage and incapacitation.</p><p></p><p>The new pit fiend has powers based on mobility around the battle field and boosting companions. I see much more tactical opportunities with those abilities than cast Hold monsters + quick fireball, cast meteor swarm and then use violence.</p><p></p><p>For flashy explosions, see above. If you look at the 3.5 pit fiend <em>it doesn't have any manipulation powers either</em>. The closest to manipulation is hold monsters and an ability to use telepathy. The 3.5 pit fiend also has Diplomacy +10 which means that a seriously commited and very talented human Expert level 1 could beat it in negotiations.</p><p></p><p>The pit fiend has become <em>better</em> at manipulation with the new edition.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="med stud, post: 4027655, member: 1211"] I especially read the spell like abilities. What do you think I read when I read the write up? Beside those, there is nothing to analyze really. Within a combat there aren't really anything worth using besides Hold monster, quick Fireballs (since they are free) and the Meteor swarm, possibly. All those are uncertain in a situation where you face off against dangerous resistance (=PCs at those levels). If the pit fiend wastes one round (for example using hold monsters vs protected enemies) it will probably be hosed. The illusions could be useful if it has time to prepare it self. The illusions are the only thing I see which isn't about damage and incapacitation. The new pit fiend has powers based on mobility around the battle field and boosting companions. I see much more tactical opportunities with those abilities than cast Hold monsters + quick fireball, cast meteor swarm and then use violence. For flashy explosions, see above. If you look at the 3.5 pit fiend [i]it doesn't have any manipulation powers either[/i]. The closest to manipulation is hold monsters and an ability to use telepathy. The 3.5 pit fiend also has Diplomacy +10 which means that a seriously commited and very talented human Expert level 1 could beat it in negotiations. The pit fiend has become [i]better[/i] at manipulation with the new edition. [/QUOTE]
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