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<blockquote data-quote="chriton227" data-source="post: 5975654" data-attributes="member: 33263">One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that a 25% swing in the chance of success is not the same as a 25% swing in effectiveness.&nbsp; Assume a situation where a PC with a +2 stat hits on 11+, that would be a 50% chance of success.&nbsp; The +4 stat would be a 9+ (60%), the -1 would be a 14+ (35%).&nbsp; The high stat character isn't hitting 25% more often than the low stat character, they are hitting 71% more often.&nbsp; As the base target number increases, this becomes more pronounced.&nbsp; If the +2 stat needed a 15+ (30%), the high stat would need a 13+ (40%) and the low stat would need a 18+ (15%), so the high stat character would be hitting almost 3x as often. On the flip side, the easier the target number the lower the swing in effectiveness would be, but unless the target number dipped to zero or below the swing in effectiveness would never be less than 25%. In my experience across a number of D&amp;D campaigns of various editions, even a 1-2 point difference in attack bonus can be very noticable.&nbsp; It was less the case in 3.x than in 4e since iterative attacks gave you more chances to hit and attacks at the highest attack bonus tended to hit fairly reliably, but in 4e we've had many sessions followed up with trying to brainstorm how to get a character just another point or two because of how noticable the slight attack bonus difference was.&nbsp; I'd be a fan of returning to a bonus progression more like the old Basic D&amp;D (-3 to +3).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="chriton227, post: 5975654, member: 33263"] One thing I haven't seen mentioned is that a 25% swing in the chance of success is not the same as a 25% swing in effectiveness. Assume a situation where a PC with a +2 stat hits on 11+, that would be a 50% chance of success. The +4 stat would be a 9+ (60%), the -1 would be a 14+ (35%). The high stat character isn't hitting 25% more often than the low stat character, they are hitting 71% more often. As the base target number increases, this becomes more pronounced. If the +2 stat needed a 15+ (30%), the high stat would need a 13+ (40%) and the low stat would need a 18+ (15%), so the high stat character would be hitting almost 3x as often. On the flip side, the easier the target number the lower the swing in effectiveness would be, but unless the target number dipped to zero or below the swing in effectiveness would never be less than 25%. In my experience across a number of D&D campaigns of various editions, even a 1-2 point difference in attack bonus can be very noticable. It was less the case in 3.x than in 4e since iterative attacks gave you more chances to hit and attacks at the highest attack bonus tended to hit fairly reliably, but in 4e we've had many sessions followed up with trying to brainstorm how to get a character just another point or two because of how noticable the slight attack bonus difference was. I'd be a fan of returning to a bonus progression more like the old Basic D&D (-3 to +3). [/QUOTE]

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