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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ratskinner" data-source="post: 5998902" data-attributes="member: 6688937">I guess I would respond in a few ways.Firstly, if there's a unique mechanical schtick to Paladin that would put in on par with the other classes...I have no problem with having a Paladin class. However, it needs to be more than just a dual-specialty, if that's the case. Mechanically, I couldn't tell you what that schtick is, yet. Secondly, <Zoidberg>it sounds like you're trying to sneak a little something extra into the character maybe?<Zoidberg> (see below). Thirdly, what's iconic? The character concept? or the fact that its a class? If you can still be the Shining Armor/Gods-driven thing-that-is-a-Paladin, what difference does it make? Sure, maybe that's a Fighter with the Crusader specialty nowadays, but so what?Fourthly, think multiclassing. I know its not a very satisfying response, but its also there. Fifthly, that variety thing swings both ways. If Paladin is a specialty, then you can have Wizard-x-Paladins, and Rogue-x-Paladins. Maybe your arrow-shooting Paladin is Ranger-x-Paladin.Perhaps that's because a Ranger or Paladin (and many of the "also-ran" classes) in previous editions has already got that specialization baked in. Of course, whether that's true or not depends on what you consider important for these classes. If you take all the mechanical and story oomph of a traditional Ranger or Paladin, squeeze it into a 5e class, and then get to take a background and specialty in addition to that...then no.So the real question is: "What makes a Paladin a Paladin?" How much, and what parts, of a traditional paladin are in Background, and how much in the implicit Theme, and what's there for the class? Personally, I like [MENTION=42582]pemerton[/MENTION]'s answer best so far. A Paladin is best at being the hero, the boyscout, the selfless defender of goodness. Now, make that work mechanically, and you've got yourself a class. (Or maybe its a specialty...prolly depends on how it ends up working, I guess.)</blockquote>

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