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<blockquote data-quote="LuisCarlos17f" data-source="post: 9174954" data-attributes="member: 6802378"><p>In Spain we use the phrase "usar dos varas de medir" (whose close translation would be "using two yardsticks to measure") about the double standars, the incoherence by somebody who is very hard with one but too soft with other. You can't trust anybody like this.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">The black-legend is supremacist hate-speech. We weren't genocide, but comparing with the rest we were almost saints. There were some black-sheeps and rotten apples, sad but innevitable, but we don't deserve that bad reputation when the others were worses, and do thank me not starting to give examples. I don't want to feel ashamed and guilty only because an unknown person is telling the same said by the main media.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">OK, I hope I can say this. Today in the internet age there are more people from Spain and Hispanoamerica who not only want to recover the "old glory days" but also started to doubt about the version of the History told by the supreme powers in the last centuries. This could be important for the entertaiment industry soon because the fiction set in a nation from the Hispanosphere... may face with people with a different point of view. It is something like the old Far-West movies where the Nothamerican natives, the "redskins" where the savage antagonist, the "scalphunters" but after "Dancing with Wolves" there is a different version about "who started the fight". Soon people will start to realise the Spaniards aren't so evil as the enemy propaganda by rival powers told, and we aren't the first who should apologize. History is written by the winners, but after it is rewritten by the supreme powers as a propagandistic weapon, because if you allow previous rival to recover the lost prestige, then these could earn allies against you. </span></p><p></p><p>Read the story of Almanzor, the Muslim warlord, and how his sons were implied in the "fitna of Al-Andalus" (civil war what caused the end of the Omeya caliphate and division into taifas, smaller Muslims realms). It can be a great source of inspiration. The "Legends" by the writter Gustavo Adolfo Bequer also can be source of inspiration for Ravenloft, but the story "the Rose of the Passion" could be antisemitic throught the eyes of the current generations. The story of the fight for the throne of Isabel de Castilla (before her marriage with Fernando de Aragon) is also interesting. And the XIX in Spain it was a century with lots of troubles and conflicts. The wife-selling in England also can be a source of inspiration for the creation dramatic new stories.</p><p></p><p>Please, repeating the same speech is not the right way to win a debate, but that is "gaslight". You mark other with tags, and you hope this is enough to win, but I don't allow that dirty trick. You have to prove to be true, I haven't to prove to be innocent. Who should enjoy the benefit of doubt? If I am rejecting your tags, I am not being an irrational zealot, but I am trying to use the good sense to be not tricked and manipulated. If I lose the time trying to refute the continue accusations, then we don't stop, because there are new accusations and even the refuted previously are repeated again. It is like the mythological punishment against Sisifus, starting again and again.</p><p></p><p>If Russian and Chinese speculative fiction told horrible things about the British empire and USA goverment, would you believe everything, or would you suspect it would be enemy propaganda? Can't we ask a piece of healthy skepticism in the name of the good sense when anybody tries to destroy the honor of your ancestors? Let's recover the sanity against the desinformation! Trust nobody who tries forcing you to agree him but he does not take the trouble to develop his arguments to explain the reasons of his point of view. And believe no word said by any body who tries to destroy your self-esteem. Don't allow others to use the shame and guilty feeling to manipulate you emotionally.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LuisCarlos17f, post: 9174954, member: 6802378"] In Spain we use the phrase "usar dos varas de medir" (whose close translation would be "using two yardsticks to measure") about the double standars, the incoherence by somebody who is very hard with one but too soft with other. You can't trust anybody like this. [SIZE=3]The black-legend is supremacist hate-speech. We weren't genocide, but comparing with the rest we were almost saints. There were some black-sheeps and rotten apples, sad but innevitable, but we don't deserve that bad reputation when the others were worses, and do thank me not starting to give examples. I don't want to feel ashamed and guilty only because an unknown person is telling the same said by the main media. OK, I hope I can say this. Today in the internet age there are more people from Spain and Hispanoamerica who not only want to recover the "old glory days" but also started to doubt about the version of the History told by the supreme powers in the last centuries. This could be important for the entertaiment industry soon because the fiction set in a nation from the Hispanosphere... may face with people with a different point of view. It is something like the old Far-West movies where the Nothamerican natives, the "redskins" where the savage antagonist, the "scalphunters" but after "Dancing with Wolves" there is a different version about "who started the fight". Soon people will start to realise the Spaniards aren't so evil as the enemy propaganda by rival powers told, and we aren't the first who should apologize. History is written by the winners, but after it is rewritten by the supreme powers as a propagandistic weapon, because if you allow previous rival to recover the lost prestige, then these could earn allies against you. [/SIZE] Read the story of Almanzor, the Muslim warlord, and how his sons were implied in the "fitna of Al-Andalus" (civil war what caused the end of the Omeya caliphate and division into taifas, smaller Muslims realms). It can be a great source of inspiration. The "Legends" by the writter Gustavo Adolfo Bequer also can be source of inspiration for Ravenloft, but the story "the Rose of the Passion" could be antisemitic throught the eyes of the current generations. The story of the fight for the throne of Isabel de Castilla (before her marriage with Fernando de Aragon) is also interesting. And the XIX in Spain it was a century with lots of troubles and conflicts. The wife-selling in England also can be a source of inspiration for the creation dramatic new stories. Please, repeating the same speech is not the right way to win a debate, but that is "gaslight". You mark other with tags, and you hope this is enough to win, but I don't allow that dirty trick. You have to prove to be true, I haven't to prove to be innocent. Who should enjoy the benefit of doubt? If I am rejecting your tags, I am not being an irrational zealot, but I am trying to use the good sense to be not tricked and manipulated. If I lose the time trying to refute the continue accusations, then we don't stop, because there are new accusations and even the refuted previously are repeated again. It is like the mythological punishment against Sisifus, starting again and again. If Russian and Chinese speculative fiction told horrible things about the British empire and USA goverment, would you believe everything, or would you suspect it would be enemy propaganda? Can't we ask a piece of healthy skepticism in the name of the good sense when anybody tries to destroy the honor of your ancestors? Let's recover the sanity against the desinformation! Trust nobody who tries forcing you to agree him but he does not take the trouble to develop his arguments to explain the reasons of his point of view. And believe no word said by any body who tries to destroy your self-esteem. Don't allow others to use the shame and guilty feeling to manipulate you emotionally. [/QUOTE]
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