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<blockquote data-quote="InVinoVeritas" data-source="post: 4825742" data-attributes="member: 41485">Cadfan, perhaps you could give specific examples of the &quot;bad things&quot;? &nbsp;Certainly, different games will play differently, and so a mechanic that might be &quot;bad&quot; in one game might very well be &quot;good&quot; in another. For example, oWoD had a particulary poor combat system, but it was all right because the main theme of the games involved more politics outside of combat. If I wanted a combat-heavy game, I wouldn't play oWoD. &nbsp;One of the things about 4e that has disappointed me is that it feels to me as more of a game and less of a world. I look for more world immersion, and I find that 4e's mechanics regularly make me break my suspension of disbelief. I could simply come up with a bunch of house rules to fix it... or I could use a previous edition that does not suffer in that way as much. &nbsp;In this way, I feel that the previous edition is a better choice, when that sort of game is what I'm looking for.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="InVinoVeritas, post: 4825742, member: 41485"] Cadfan, perhaps you could give specific examples of the "bad things"? Certainly, different games will play differently, and so a mechanic that might be "bad" in one game might very well be "good" in another. For example, oWoD had a particulary poor combat system, but it was all right because the main theme of the games involved more politics outside of combat. If I wanted a combat-heavy game, I wouldn't play oWoD. One of the things about 4e that has disappointed me is that it feels to me as more of a game and less of a world. I look for more world immersion, and I find that 4e's mechanics regularly make me break my suspension of disbelief. I could simply come up with a bunch of house rules to fix it... or I could use a previous edition that does not suffer in that way as much. In this way, I feel that the previous edition is a better choice, when that sort of game is what I'm looking for. [/QUOTE]

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