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<blockquote data-quote="evilbob" data-source="post: 3599468" data-attributes="member: 9789">Unbeknownst to us all, if you fail a save against a spell effect, you get a free puppy.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />kreynolds:&nbsp; I mentioned &quot;non-obvious&quot; because if a spell was &quot;obvious&quot; you would certainly know if you failed a save against it (like a fireball, for example).&nbsp; I wasn't trying to make a specific point, I was just excluding spells that you can't possibly not know that someone cast against you if you fail (even if you don't know the specific spell).&nbsp; It's presumed you see the ray coming (whatever the effect), but what happens if you're scryed and fail your save?So far, it seems like you just don't know, since it's not really covered and that seems to follow.(One thing this entire discussion has helped me to understand, however, is that technically a scrying spell can only be viewed by the person casting the spell; the focus seems to imply that others can see it, but it's specifically an extension of your own vision, like a &quot;sensory organ.&quot;&nbsp; What it needs is a companion spell, like &quot;you guys all see what I'm seeing right now.&quot;)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="evilbob, post: 3599468, member: 9789"] Unbeknownst to us all, if you fail a save against a spell effect, you get a free puppy. :) kreynolds: I mentioned "non-obvious" because if a spell was "obvious" you would certainly know if you failed a save against it (like a [I]fireball[/I], for example). I wasn't trying to make a specific point, I was just excluding spells that you can't possibly not know that someone cast against you if you fail (even if you don't know the specific spell). It's presumed you see the ray coming (whatever the effect), but what happens if you're scryed and fail your save? So far, it seems like you just don't know, since it's not really covered and that seems to follow. (One thing this entire discussion has helped me to understand, however, is that technically a scrying spell can only be viewed by the person casting the spell; the focus seems to imply that others can see it, but it's specifically an extension of your own vision, like a "sensory organ." What it needs is a companion spell, like "you guys all see what I'm seeing right now.") [/QUOTE]

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