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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 2754387" data-attributes="member: 1465">I'd let their characters believe that this has happened, but of course I wouldn't let it happen at all.It wasn't even a matter of not letting the DM know their actions (for fear that the DM would have found a countermeasure to make it impossible? how immature...). It was a matter of players deciding the outcome of their own actions, which is only a DM's job.Players are supposed to be always free to attempt anything they want, but whether they succeed it is determined by the rules, by the dice and yes sometimes even by the DM, but usually only when it is in the form of NPCs reactions.What they did was quite the same as going into a fight, and instead of saying "I attack the evil guy", saying "I kill the evil guy" and pretending it to happen.OTOH, their DM might have done the same to players: maybe he had a bad habit of trumping character's free will with utterly stupid ex-machina events without letting the rules and the dice playing their part. If he did that, he deserved the same treatment  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /></blockquote>