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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 2754404" data-attributes="member: 8835">While this certainly sounds like a PC vs. GM scenario, consider an alternate interpretation:the PCs were under the assumption that during the business transactions in town, if the DM didn't "inspect the goods", then the NPC didn't do it, therefore the hidden bombs are undetected, thus justifying their declaration of the explosion at the end.Consider a reverse of the situation:The PC's go into town, and buy some goods.  The PCs say they inspect the goods.  The PCs leave town.  The GM declares their car blows up, because of the hidden bombs in the boxes the PCs bought.There are plenty of DM's who would run a game like that, especially in the eighties.  the Search and Spot skills are sort of modern concepts (the closest being Search for Traps).  How many RPGs didn't really cover all the kinds of searching and spotting in the rules.  And if the rules didn't cover it, it was left to DM fiat on whether the PCs had a chance.  Perhaps the PC's only chance (by the DM's logic) is to inspect their stuff regularly.  With that kind of logic, a player could come to the conclusion that if they have to declare any and all safety precautions their PC takes (if you didn't say it, you didn't do it), then they may (through twisted logic) come to the same conclusion of the DM.Here's a test, how many RPG's from before 2000 had some sort of Search or Spot rule?AD&D2: yes - Find/Remove TrapsAD&D1: yes - Find/Remove TrapsI'm not sitting on a plethora of RPGs at the moment, but I'm pretty sure FASA's Mechwarrior game didn't have anything (I have the books at home).  Nor can I recall if ShadowRun had it?  Start a list, include Twilight 2000.  I suspect game design didn't help the situation.Janx</blockquote>

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