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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6258261" data-attributes="member: 4937">What?  I don't get that at all.  I think that's the came sort of logic that gets "Aragorn is a 20th level character".   What I would say is that all those diverse skills known might boil down in D20 terms to having a +1 BAB and martial weapon proficiencies appropriate for the tech level (personal firearms, for example).  None of that requires more than a single level in D20.  I'm perfectly happy to see typical straight out of boot US soldiers as something like 1st level Tough ordinaries with Profession Milltary.  Arguably, because the US is an all volunteer force and fairly selective in recruiting, I'd add a level of Dedicated ordinary to many of them representing their pre-military education and beliefs, and maybe a level of Smart ordinary to some of the officers (who usually have 4 year degrees of some sort).  Veteran combat experienced soldiers probably end up with a second level of Tough ordinary, and of course their will be individual variation (some soldiers in a unit would be Fast Ordinaries, others Strong ordinaries, others might have two levels of Dedicated ordinary after both camp, etc.)In D&D terms, a typical modern soldier for me might be a Fighter 1/Expert 1.  As for D&D better emulating a TV show or other literary genera than reality, I generally tend to agree with that (but would probably say the same about all RPGs).   But I don't think that even in typical police procedurals that gap in competence is as great as 8th level vs. 1st level.  I would tend to see the divide as between 1st-2nd level ordinaries, and 4th-5th level heroes unless the hero is portrayed in a super-heroic fashion (Rambo, James Bond, Sherlock, Batman, etc.)</blockquote>

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