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Message: <blockquote data-quote="humble minion" data-source="post: 8071782" data-attributes="member: 5948">I know your post is at least partially tongue in cheek, but tbh - from WotCs point of view the old guard Greyhawk grognards are such a tiny proportion of the player base that I can't imagine them entering into calculations.There was Return to Castle Greyhawk for 3.5 in its final days, the 3e Living Greyhawk Gazetteer which was about as bland and unexciting as it was possible for a setting book to be and was in itself really just a sop to the grognards, and a few anodyne references to Greyhawk gods in the 3e core books etc, but the last time the setting got any sustained attention was what, 25 years ago?  More?  When was Ivid the Undying cancelled again?The target player base these days is much more the Critical Role generation (and yes, that also leaves out me, who showed up in late 2e/early 3e).  They'll buy Greyhawk if it stands up on its own, adherence to ancient canon doesn't matter a damn to them.  We can certainly see that in the treatment of FR.  And the same goes for Dark Sun, Planescape, or any of the other old settings that might get resurrected for 5e.  I expect to hate bits of it when/if they do it to MY favourite settings, but it's the way things are...Edit: and i should hasten to add, this is not necessarily a bad thing!  I'm an old Dark Sun grognard, I disliked 4e and was really irritated by the amount of 4e baggage that sneaked into the 4e Dark Sun book.  But I LOVED that they rolled back the timeline to ignore some of the old 2e canonical lore.  It was a blatant, naked retcon of huge amounts of setting material, and it should have triggered a tidal wave of hate but they didn't give a damn and did it anyway. And it worked and resulted in a better setting, more true to the heart of the original vision, where the PCs were the heroes rather than a bunch of NPCs.  If i'd been contracted to write 4e Dark Sun never in a million years would i have imagined doing that, or had the guts to try it if i did.  But WotC correctly focused on 'how do I make this work for modern players without being slaves to a dwindling population of 2e loremasters', and kudos to them for it.</blockquote>

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