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<blockquote data-quote="WalterKovacs" data-source="post: 5535029" data-attributes="member: 63763"><p>I would say that:</p><p> </p><p>(a) No on the at-will. The ability to pick up an out of class at-will is strong, so the 'price' of paragon multiclassing is probably worth it</p><p> </p><p>(b) Similarly, I'd probably restrict to only one "out of class" power of each type</p><p> </p><p>Being able to, for example, build an avenger, multiclass, and then take nothing but say ... Barbarian powers for your at-will, encounter, utility and dailies? Basically getting most of the barbarian's striker stuff (just lacking Rampage, which you can get as a feat once multiclassed, and your bloodline ... I'm sure plenty of people would be willing to lose the thp and free charge if they got Oath of Emnity in it's place).</p><p> </p><p>For the martial classes ... if you were going with the lower threshold for power swapping for multiclass, then probably being able to swap the class features they've allowed to be swapped via feats is worth it, again restricting it to what they allow with the feats. So, a weaponmaster can get one use of power strike (with the level 7 weapon benefit) in exchange for an encounter power, and the knight or slayer can grab one encounter power in exchange for a power strike.</p><p> </p><p>The warpriest/cleric thing ... that may be a bit iffy. Basically, a warpriest does not get to choose anything but his daily powers. The cleric, on the other hand, gets to pick all his powers. Getting the domain features, but not being locked in for at-will/encounter choices would make the original Cleric a much better option (he gets different divinity powers, actual ritual casting instead of daily remove affliction/raise dead powers, and lacks the utilties, and he does lose out on the shield prof, but he gets the same domain benefits without power restriction). At the very least, it should probably be single feat, like multiclassing (needing one feat to go into the class at least).</p><p> </p><p>With the mage options ... it's probably easier to just have the wizard be a mage at that point.</p><p> </p><p>If you are talking hybrids, I'd probably allow Hybrid Talent to get the Mage/Warpriest class feature (instead of needing to take Hybrid Talent to get something so you can take another feat to replace it with the class feature you actually want ... and then still need 2 more feats to get the higher level parts of that feature).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WalterKovacs, post: 5535029, member: 63763"] I would say that: (a) No on the at-will. The ability to pick up an out of class at-will is strong, so the 'price' of paragon multiclassing is probably worth it (b) Similarly, I'd probably restrict to only one "out of class" power of each type Being able to, for example, build an avenger, multiclass, and then take nothing but say ... Barbarian powers for your at-will, encounter, utility and dailies? Basically getting most of the barbarian's striker stuff (just lacking Rampage, which you can get as a feat once multiclassed, and your bloodline ... I'm sure plenty of people would be willing to lose the thp and free charge if they got Oath of Emnity in it's place). For the martial classes ... if you were going with the lower threshold for power swapping for multiclass, then probably being able to swap the class features they've allowed to be swapped via feats is worth it, again restricting it to what they allow with the feats. So, a weaponmaster can get one use of power strike (with the level 7 weapon benefit) in exchange for an encounter power, and the knight or slayer can grab one encounter power in exchange for a power strike. The warpriest/cleric thing ... that may be a bit iffy. Basically, a warpriest does not get to choose anything but his daily powers. The cleric, on the other hand, gets to pick all his powers. Getting the domain features, but not being locked in for at-will/encounter choices would make the original Cleric a much better option (he gets different divinity powers, actual ritual casting instead of daily remove affliction/raise dead powers, and lacks the utilties, and he does lose out on the shield prof, but he gets the same domain benefits without power restriction). At the very least, it should probably be single feat, like multiclassing (needing one feat to go into the class at least). With the mage options ... it's probably easier to just have the wizard be a mage at that point. If you are talking hybrids, I'd probably allow Hybrid Talent to get the Mage/Warpriest class feature (instead of needing to take Hybrid Talent to get something so you can take another feat to replace it with the class feature you actually want ... and then still need 2 more feats to get the higher level parts of that feature). [/QUOTE]
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