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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ilium" data-source="post: 4233719" data-attributes="member: 40124">This may not be strictly on-topic, but I've found a different way of thinking about illumination that has been helpful, regardless of edition.  This may be stating the obvious, but I've seen arguments that don't seem to take this into consideration.A light source's range is the range at which it lights things up.  So if a light source gives bright light within 10 feet, everything within 10 feet is brightly lit.  A brightly lit object can be seen at any distance (as long as you have line of sight, and the distance isn't so great that things are just too small to see).  Say a PC is carrying a light source that gives bright light to 10 feet and dim (shadowy, whatever) light to 20 feet. The light source (and the PC carrying it) are visible at ANY reasonable range.  Attackers have no penalties to attack that PC due to darkness, because he can be seen just fine.  Another PC 15 feet from the first is in dim light for any observer, regardless of where the observer stands.  Appropriate penalties would apply.Again, I'm probably stating the obvious, but there's my 2 coppers. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>