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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheSword" data-source="post: 9671890" data-attributes="member: 6879661">I think this is the problem with illusions and reason that people get frustrated with them on both sides. They try and break the game to make them amazing without realizing that there will naturally be resistance to that.On your action you can move the image but there is no way to make the image react to someone else’s action. The fog cloud won’t swirl in response to the passage of the arrow, neither will it in response to the PCs attacks from inside the cloud. That then shows everyone who can witness it that the cloud isn’t real and they can see through it. Same with painting wall.Similarly for your ethereal creature - you don’t get to decide that it is unaffected by physical interaction. It isn’t just that the creature wouldn’t take damage from the arrow passing through - it won’t react to it in any way. People in that situation are likely to think the illusion isn’t real.No variation of the rules is going to be created to give you the right to give your PCs mass improved invisibility with a 2nd level spell. This is a not a rules problem, it’s an expectation problem.</blockquote>