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<blockquote data-quote="Mordane76" data-source="post: 1986501" data-attributes="member: 7172">As this seems to simply be an application of the illusory wall spell, the following should answer this question:If the creature possesses an ability to sense illusions or objects (or the lack thereof), then it can detect the trap pretty much fail-safe.&nbsp; If not, then it does not receive any sort of save until it interacts.&nbsp; By the RAW, they really shouldn't receive a save.&nbsp; The best thing I can find is in the Climb skill text:In all fairness, grabbing the lip of the pit probably counts as either &quot;an uneven surface with some narrow handholds and footholds, such as a typical wall in a dungeon or ruins&quot; (DC 20), or as either &quot;a rough surface, such as a natural rock wall or a brick wall&quot; or &quot;an overhang or ceiling with handholds but no footholds&quot; (both DC 25).&nbsp; So... it's POSSIBLE to do it... but probably very unlikely.&nbsp; If you use this, you can also apply the modifiers for Climb, like if the pit is narrow enough to brace themselves against the opposite side, you could cut them a break on the DC (-10), or if they have a corner they can grab you can also cut them a small break (-5).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mordane76, post: 1986501, member: 7172"] As this seems to simply be an application of the [i]illusory wall[/i] spell, the following should answer this question: If the creature possesses an ability to sense illusions or objects (or the lack thereof), then it can detect the trap pretty much fail-safe. If not, then it does not receive any sort of save until it interacts. By the RAW, they really shouldn't receive a save. The best thing I can find is in the Climb skill text: In all fairness, grabbing the lip of the pit probably counts as either "an uneven surface with some narrow handholds and footholds, such as a typical wall in a dungeon or ruins" (DC 20), or as either "a rough surface, such as a natural rock wall or a brick wall" or "an overhang or ceiling with handholds but no footholds" (both DC 25). So... it's POSSIBLE to do it... but probably very unlikely. If you use this, you can also apply the modifiers for Climb, like if the pit is narrow enough to brace themselves against the opposite side, you could cut them a break on the DC (-10), or if they have a corner they can grab you can also cut them a small break (-5). [/QUOTE]

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