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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 7922287" data-attributes="member: 42582">My OP pointed to a particular piece of text from a revised version of a classic RPG, which was quite absent from the original version, as (i) showing a very clear statement of what it means to use force (&quot;guidance&quot;, &quot;manipulation&quot;) in an illusionistic way (&quot;properly done, the players never know&quot;), and (ii) illustrating a trend in design and understanding of RPGs and RPGing.[USER=21169]@Doug McCrae[/USER]'s excellent posts with excerpts from other relevant texts have, in my view, added support to (ii) by showing various versions and variants of (i) in those texts.I don't think most ENworlders would regard what the Traveller Book calls a &quot;choreographed novel&quot; as railroading; at least, no more railroading than a typical AP. I would regard it as railroading, but most other posters seem to find my use of that term over-inclusive. I am simply pointing out that advocating that sort of play is a real thing that emerges at a particular time relatively early in the RPG hobby, but not immediately.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 7922287, member: 42582"] My OP pointed to a particular piece of text from a revised version of a classic RPG, which was quite absent from the original version, as (i) showing a very clear statement of what it means to use force ("guidance", "manipulation") in an illusionistic way ("properly done, the players never know"), and (ii) illustrating a trend in design and understanding of RPGs and RPGing. [USER=21169]@Doug McCrae[/USER]'s excellent posts with excerpts from other relevant texts have, in my view, added support to (ii) by showing various versions and variants of (i) in those texts. I don't think most ENworlders would regard what the Traveller Book calls a "choreographed novel" as railroading; at least, no more railroading than a typical AP. I would regard it as railroading, but most other posters seem to find my use of that term over-inclusive. I am simply pointing out that advocating that sort of play is a real thing that emerges at a particular time relatively early in the RPG hobby, but not immediately. [/QUOTE]

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