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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7924585" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>I dunno. If were talking about 5e, backstory is strongly presumed to be the player's baliwick before being introduced into play. I'm very reluctant to rewrite backstories like the "surprise, you master is a werewolf!" because is does override player input. Now, if that happens during play because the player indicated that was up for grabs, then I'd say rewriting an important element of player introduced fiction to fit a GM's storyline sounds quite a lot like Force.</p><p></p><p>If were talking other games, where backstory is up for grabs, thise at least require nechanical resolution to see this example bear out.</p><p></p><p>My 5e game has an instance similar to this because I've invoked a nemisis from a PC's background. The background has this nemisis as someone responsible fir destroying the character's clan, leaving few survivors. As this is a Planescape game, I took the liberty of having this nemisis' plots be at a planar scale, but other than invoking him, I've done little extrapolation. This led to a moment in play of another players saying, "wait, is this <nemisis> guy a dwarf like <character>?" I looked to the player and saud, "well, is he?" The answer was, "you know, I'm not sure." And, bam, now what the nemesis is is up for grabs.</p><p></p><p>Alternatively, another player is an escaped thrall of mindflayers, but has no memory of before thralldom. I have a rule in this campaign that PCs don't due unless the player says so, but choosing this option means I get creative license to be mean. This PC elected to not die, and so I introduced that when he came to, he recalled that he had volunteered for thralldom, but diesn't remember why. I had that license because he invoked the death rule and I chose that because I knew it would torture the player far worse than PC death eould have.</p><p></p><p>I'd say the latter was Force, even thoigh I had loose permission, but I'd say that oermission was to engage in Force, not make it not Firce.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7924585, member: 16814"] I dunno. If were talking about 5e, backstory is strongly presumed to be the player's baliwick before being introduced into play. I'm very reluctant to rewrite backstories like the "surprise, you master is a werewolf!" because is does override player input. Now, if that happens during play because the player indicated that was up for grabs, then I'd say rewriting an important element of player introduced fiction to fit a GM's storyline sounds quite a lot like Force. If were talking other games, where backstory is up for grabs, thise at least require nechanical resolution to see this example bear out. My 5e game has an instance similar to this because I've invoked a nemisis from a PC's background. The background has this nemisis as someone responsible fir destroying the character's clan, leaving few survivors. As this is a Planescape game, I took the liberty of having this nemisis' plots be at a planar scale, but other than invoking him, I've done little extrapolation. This led to a moment in play of another players saying, "wait, is this <nemisis> guy a dwarf like <character>?" I looked to the player and saud, "well, is he?" The answer was, "you know, I'm not sure." And, bam, now what the nemesis is is up for grabs. Alternatively, another player is an escaped thrall of mindflayers, but has no memory of before thralldom. I have a rule in this campaign that PCs don't due unless the player says so, but choosing this option means I get creative license to be mean. This PC elected to not die, and so I introduced that when he came to, he recalled that he had volunteered for thralldom, but diesn't remember why. I had that license because he invoked the death rule and I chose that because I knew it would torture the player far worse than PC death eould have. I'd say the latter was Force, even thoigh I had loose permission, but I'd say that oermission was to engage in Force, not make it not Firce. [/QUOTE]
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