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<blockquote data-quote="vandaexpress" data-source="post: 6637098" data-attributes="member: 6790472"><p>I'll make this as short as possible. Illusions have often occupied an area that depends heavily on DM-Player cooperation. I'm running a campaign where one of the BBEG's is an illusionist. In trying to figure out what to do with him, I've come up with some questions about wording in the Illusionist Arcane tradition, in particular, the <em>Malleable Illusions </em>and <em>Illusory Reality </em>features and would like to know your interpretations and answers to the following questions:</p><p></p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Could an illusionist cast <em>major illusion</em> and, using a 6th level slot to make it permanent, create an illusion of say, a small ball of light orbiting his head (like an Ioun stone), then use Malleable Illusion to turn that illusionary ioun stone into a big illusionary wall 40 feet away as an action? In other words, can an illusionist have a "stockpile" of permanent major illusions that they take with them everywhere and transform as needed? Assuming a collection of a dozen major images, this would seem to eliminate the need to ever spend a spell slot casting a major illusion ever again.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Is Illusory reality something that can only be used as the spell is cast (sentence one in that paragraph suggests this) or can it be used on an existing illusion by expending a bonus action (as the second paragraph suggests), or is it only usable on a spell as it's being cast by using a bonus action along with the normal action to cast the spell?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Is there any limit to the number of illusions that can be affected by illusory reality at once? Say I cast major illusion of a brick wall and make the wall real, then on my next round, I cast minor illusion of a door and make the door real. Is this possible? RAW, there doesn't appear to be anything prohibiting this.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">If you use Illusory reality to make part of an illusion real, say a silent image, then later drop your concentration on the silent image to cast a different spell, is the real part of the illusion still there since it's been made "real"? Or is it still considered a part of the spell effect and disappears once concentration is lost?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">If an illusionist is using mirage arcana as his lair, would he basically be able to use malleable illusion to completely change the layout of his lair as an action (so long as he can see that part of the lair)?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Would an illusionist be able to use malleable illusion to change the appearance of a simulacrum?</li> </ol><p></p><p>If an illusionist can morph permanent major images he carries around with him and use illusory reality on a spell that's already been cast... that's pretty powerful. You show up to fight a level 14 wizard who has 6 permanent illusions orbiting his head. He uses malleable illusion on the first one to form a 2ft thick 20x20 adamantine cage (or even a box) around 2 or 3 party members then uses a bonus action to make it real for 10 rounds. It's not a spell being cast, so it can't be countered. Unless the party gets a <em>dispel magic </em>off on the first round (assuming you rule that the illusion-made-reality can be dispelled) and counter his <em>counterspell </em>with their own, he can drop a <em>cloudkill </em>on the box and call it a day. Or just bombard it with fireballs.</p><p></p><p>I mean, that's just the first idea I had, I'm sure there are other, more effective things that could be done if these interpretations are, in fact, RAW.</p><p></p><p>What are your thoughts, how do you interpret this tradition's features?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vandaexpress, post: 6637098, member: 6790472"] I'll make this as short as possible. Illusions have often occupied an area that depends heavily on DM-Player cooperation. I'm running a campaign where one of the BBEG's is an illusionist. In trying to figure out what to do with him, I've come up with some questions about wording in the Illusionist Arcane tradition, in particular, the [I]Malleable Illusions [/I]and [I]Illusory Reality [/I]features and would like to know your interpretations and answers to the following questions: [LIST=1] [*]Could an illusionist cast [I]major illusion[/I] and, using a 6th level slot to make it permanent, create an illusion of say, a small ball of light orbiting his head (like an Ioun stone), then use Malleable Illusion to turn that illusionary ioun stone into a big illusionary wall 40 feet away as an action? In other words, can an illusionist have a "stockpile" of permanent major illusions that they take with them everywhere and transform as needed? Assuming a collection of a dozen major images, this would seem to eliminate the need to ever spend a spell slot casting a major illusion ever again. [*]Is Illusory reality something that can only be used as the spell is cast (sentence one in that paragraph suggests this) or can it be used on an existing illusion by expending a bonus action (as the second paragraph suggests), or is it only usable on a spell as it's being cast by using a bonus action along with the normal action to cast the spell? [*]Is there any limit to the number of illusions that can be affected by illusory reality at once? Say I cast major illusion of a brick wall and make the wall real, then on my next round, I cast minor illusion of a door and make the door real. Is this possible? RAW, there doesn't appear to be anything prohibiting this. [*]If you use Illusory reality to make part of an illusion real, say a silent image, then later drop your concentration on the silent image to cast a different spell, is the real part of the illusion still there since it's been made "real"? Or is it still considered a part of the spell effect and disappears once concentration is lost? [*]If an illusionist is using mirage arcana as his lair, would he basically be able to use malleable illusion to completely change the layout of his lair as an action (so long as he can see that part of the lair)? [*]Would an illusionist be able to use malleable illusion to change the appearance of a simulacrum? [/LIST] If an illusionist can morph permanent major images he carries around with him and use illusory reality on a spell that's already been cast... that's pretty powerful. You show up to fight a level 14 wizard who has 6 permanent illusions orbiting his head. He uses malleable illusion on the first one to form a 2ft thick 20x20 adamantine cage (or even a box) around 2 or 3 party members then uses a bonus action to make it real for 10 rounds. It's not a spell being cast, so it can't be countered. Unless the party gets a [I]dispel magic [/I]off on the first round (assuming you rule that the illusion-made-reality can be dispelled) and counter his [I]counterspell [/I]with their own, he can drop a [I]cloudkill [/I]on the box and call it a day. Or just bombard it with fireballs. I mean, that's just the first idea I had, I'm sure there are other, more effective things that could be done if these interpretations are, in fact, RAW. What are your thoughts, how do you interpret this tradition's features? [/QUOTE]
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