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Illusionist Wizards - What about all the monsters that are immune?
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<blockquote data-quote="Nebulous" data-source="post: 4766153" data-attributes="member: 31465"><p>Yeah, that would work too, but i wouldn't say the first description is destroying anything. It might frustrate a illusionist, but a corner case fight where he has to try a different tactic IS part of the fun.</p><p> </p><p>Besides, when you look at illusion spells in 4e, there pretty much ARE no other effects other than psychic damage and a condition. What's the point of being immune to illusion if you're still going to apply everything in the spell description anyway? </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #211d1e"> </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #211d1e"></span></span><span style="font-size: 15px">I</span><strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff">llusory </span></span></strong>[/FONT]<span style="font-size: 12px">A</span><strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ffffff">mbush </span></span></strong>[/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #ffffff">Wizard Attack 1</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #ffffff"></span></span>[/FONT]<em>[FONT=Mentor Std,Mentor Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><span style="color: white">You create an illusion of swirling spectral assailants that swarm over your enemy.</span></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"></span></span></em>[/FONT]<strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">At-Will </span></span></strong><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">✦ </span></span>[/FONT]<span style="color: white"><span style="font-size: 9px">A</span><strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px">rcane, </span></strong>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: white"><span style="font-size: 9px">I</span><strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px">llusion, </span></strong>[/FONT]</span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">I</span></span><strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">mplement, Psychic</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Standard Action Ranged </span></span></strong>[/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">10</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/FONT]<strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Target: </span></span></strong>[/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">One creature</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/FONT]<strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Attack: </span></span></strong>[/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Intelligence vs. Will</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/FONT]<strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Hit: </span></span></strong>[/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><span style="color: white">1d6 + Intelligence modifier psychic damage, and the target takes a –2 penalty to attack rolls until the end of your next turn. </span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: white">Level 1 Wizard Encounter Spells</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: white"></span></span><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: white">G</span></span><strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: white">rasping </span></span></strong>[/FONT]<span style="color: white"><span style="font-size: 12px">S</span><strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 12px">hadows </span></strong>[/FONT]</span>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Wizard Attack 1</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/FONT]<em>[FONT=Mentor Std,Mentor Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">At your command, the shadows reach out, grab hold of your foes, and wreath the area in darkness.</span></span></em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><em><span style="font-size: 9px"></span></em>[/FONT]<strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Encounter </span></span></strong><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">✦ </span></span>[/FONT]<span style="color: white"><span style="font-size: 9px">A</span><strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px">rcane, </span></strong>[/FONT]</span><span style="color: white"><span style="font-size: 9px">I</span><strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px">llusion, </span></strong>[/FONT]</span><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">I</span></span><strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">mplement, Psychic</span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><strong><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Standard Action Area </span></span></strong>[/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">burst 1 within 10 squares</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/FONT]<strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Target: </span></span></strong>[/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Each creature in burst</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/FONT]<strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Attack: </span></span></strong>[/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Intelligence vs. Will</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/FONT]<strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Hit: </span></span></strong>[/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">1d8 + Intelligence modifier psychic damage, and target is slowed until the end of your next turn.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><span style="font-size: 9px"></span>[/FONT]<strong>[FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: white">Effect: </span></span></strong>[/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std]<span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><span style="color: white">Shadows writhe in the designated area and continue until the end of your next turn. Any creature that enters the area of the grasping shadows takes psychic damage equal to your Intelligence modifier and is slowed until the end of its next turn.</span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: #211d1e"></span></span>[/FONT]</span></span>[/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nebulous, post: 4766153, member: 31465"] Yeah, that would work too, but i wouldn't say the first description is destroying anything. It might frustrate a illusionist, but a corner case fight where he has to try a different tactic IS part of the fun. Besides, when you look at illusion spells in 4e, there pretty much ARE no other effects other than psychic damage and a condition. What's the point of being immune to illusion if you're still going to apply everything in the spell description anyway? [SIZE=4][COLOR=#211d1e] [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=4]I[/SIZE][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff]llusory [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3]A[/SIZE][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff]mbush [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ffffff][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=#ffffff]Wizard Attack 1 [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Mentor Std,Mentor Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=#211d1e][COLOR=white]You create an illusion of swirling spectral assailants that swarm over your enemy.[/COLOR] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/I][SIZE=1][COLOR=#211d1e][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]At-Will [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]✦ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=white][SIZE=1]A[/SIZE][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1]rcane, [/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=white][SIZE=1]I[/SIZE][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1]llusion, [/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]I[/COLOR][/SIZE][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]mplement, Psychic[/COLOR] [COLOR=white]Standard Action Ranged [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]10[/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]Target: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]One creature[/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]Attack: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]Intelligence vs. Will[/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]Hit: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=#211d1e][COLOR=white]1d6 + Intelligence modifier psychic damage, and the target takes a –2 penalty to attack rolls until the end of your next turn. [/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=white]Level 1 Wizard Encounter Spells [/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=4][COLOR=white]G[/COLOR][/SIZE][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=3][COLOR=white]rasping [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=white][SIZE=3]S[/SIZE][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=3]hadows [/SIZE][/B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]Wizard Attack 1[/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT][I][FONT=Mentor Std,Mentor Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]At your command, the shadows reach out, grab hold of your foes, and wreath the area in darkness.[/COLOR] [/SIZE][/I][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]Encounter [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]✦ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][COLOR=white][SIZE=1]A[/SIZE][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1]rcane, [/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=white][SIZE=1]I[/SIZE][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1]llusion, [/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]I[/COLOR][/SIZE][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]mplement, Psychic[/COLOR] [COLOR=white]Standard Action Area [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]burst 1 within 10 squares[/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]Target: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]Each creature in burst[/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]Attack: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]Intelligence vs. Will[/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]Hit: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]1d8 + Intelligence modifier psychic damage, and target is slowed until the end of your next turn.[/COLOR] [/SIZE][/FONT][B][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=white]Effect: [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][SIZE=1][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Mentor Sans Std,Mentor Sans Std][SIZE=1][COLOR=#211d1e][COLOR=white]Shadows writhe in the designated area and continue until the end of your next turn. Any creature that enters the area of the grasping shadows takes psychic damage equal to your Intelligence modifier and is slowed until the end of its next turn.[/COLOR] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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