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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tleilaxu" data-source="post: 197100" data-attributes="member: 1289">the scene: two wizards duking it out. One casts phantasmal killer (or some other illusion) on the other wizard. At this point two things should happen. 1. the second wizard should make a spellcraft check to see if he recognizes the spell. 2. the wizard must also make a disbelief will save. which goes first? it would seem the will save to me, because if he can identify the spell as an illusion before it happens then we wouldn't even need to disbelieve it. on the other hand half of the counterspelling's usefulness is gone if you've already disbelieved the spell...</blockquote>