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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gromm" data-source="post: 197334" data-attributes="member: 2245">Phantasmal killer is a bad example since its really more of an attack spell than say Permanent Image.If you make a spell craft check on an illusion and know its an illusion you should be able to automatically make a save to disbelieve it since you have reason not to believe it. Of course the sneaky illusionist might actually have a friendly dragon who just stopped being invisible and really is attacking you, while the illusion is of something else. From a roleplaying point of view you can probably just ignore whatever illusion he created. After all he just cast an illusion. Just make a save every turn until you succeed and it goes away.As far as the killer, you might not want to believe its real, but your mind wants to believe it. You could allow a save bonus for the Will half of the spell since you rationally know its not real, but that doesn't make you immune to it. Otherwise anyone who knows the effect of the spell should be immune- suddenly your worst fear appears out of nowhere, first thing you're thinking is "this isn't real"- which is mechanically the Will save.</blockquote>