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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 7547748" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>This is disingenuous, as the discussion is on the image spells. I've already been explicit that spells that remove things are specifically called out, like invisibility, which is in the illusion school. But, when discussing spells that can create objects that may or may not block light (depending on you argument), that's limited to a very specific set of spells that have uniform language about creating and image.</p><p></p><p>Here's minor image:</p><p>You create a sound or an image of an object within range that lasts for the duration.</p><p></p><p>Here's silent image:</p><p>You create the image of an object, a creature, or some other visible phenomenon that is no larger than a 15-foot cube.</p><p></p><p>Here's major image:</p><p>You create the image of an object, a creature, or some other visible phenomenon that is no larger than a 20-foot cube. </p><p></p><p>All of these have very clear language on what the spell does: they create an image.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, this is how real world object work with light. Illusions are magic, they do not follow physical laws and, in fact, break them to pieces. A hobgoblinish insistence that magic just does physics is weird. In order to block light, there must be a physical object which is not what the spell description says it does.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That bridge from IJatC was an actual bridge. I don't see how an illusion is like a real thing, camouflaged or not. And there's nothing to reconcile in the descriptions of Minor and Major image -- the both create a visible image that has no physical existence. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And, again, I'm telling you that my interpretation is and has been very useful in game. Illusions do exactly what they say on the tin: they create an image, and possibly a sound. They don't block or create light, and they certainly don't require explanation in terms of science. Illusion magic in my games is very useful, provide you understand that what you can do is create an image and don't imagine you can darken rooms or make things disappear (conceal them under the image, sure). Read the actual descriptions and don't bring anything with you this time. Just do what it says and don't come up with reasons why it has to do other things. It's all right there in the descriptions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 7547748, member: 16814"] This is disingenuous, as the discussion is on the image spells. I've already been explicit that spells that remove things are specifically called out, like invisibility, which is in the illusion school. But, when discussing spells that can create objects that may or may not block light (depending on you argument), that's limited to a very specific set of spells that have uniform language about creating and image. Here's minor image: You create a sound or an image of an object within range that lasts for the duration. Here's silent image: You create the image of an object, a creature, or some other visible phenomenon that is no larger than a 15-foot cube. Here's major image: You create the image of an object, a creature, or some other visible phenomenon that is no larger than a 20-foot cube. All of these have very clear language on what the spell does: they create an image. No, this is how real world object work with light. Illusions are magic, they do not follow physical laws and, in fact, break them to pieces. A hobgoblinish insistence that magic just does physics is weird. In order to block light, there must be a physical object which is not what the spell description says it does. That bridge from IJatC was an actual bridge. I don't see how an illusion is like a real thing, camouflaged or not. And there's nothing to reconcile in the descriptions of Minor and Major image -- the both create a visible image that has no physical existence. And, again, I'm telling you that my interpretation is and has been very useful in game. Illusions do exactly what they say on the tin: they create an image, and possibly a sound. They don't block or create light, and they certainly don't require explanation in terms of science. Illusion magic in my games is very useful, provide you understand that what you can do is create an image and don't imagine you can darken rooms or make things disappear (conceal them under the image, sure). Read the actual descriptions and don't bring anything with you this time. Just do what it says and don't come up with reasons why it has to do other things. It's all right there in the descriptions. [/QUOTE]
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