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<blockquote data-quote="AuraSeer" data-source="post: 1261173" data-attributes="member: 1331"><p>It is not a matter of interpretation. The rules are clear.</p><p></p><p>The general rule is that an effect works on all creatures equally, and that a creature gets exactly one save against a given effect. That is how things work unless otherwise designated.</p><p></p><p>No rule says mindless creatures automatically fail their saves against illusions. Unless you can find such a rule and cite it, mindless creatures get the same save as everyone else.</p><p></p><p>No rule says creatures get multiple saves against an illusion spell. Unless you can point to such a rule in the book, an illusion spell works like everything else, and allows exactly one save. [Edited to clarify: If one victim disbelieves the illusion, and tells other victims about it, those others are allowed another saving throw. This appears to be the only case in which a second disbelief save are allowed.]</p><p></p><p>This may sound pedantic, but I'm just trying to be clear. Your original questions were answered, and there's little or no room for argument, which is why people have drifted off on tangents,</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AuraSeer, post: 1261173, member: 1331"] It is not a matter of interpretation. The rules are clear. The general rule is that an effect works on all creatures equally, and that a creature gets exactly one save against a given effect. That is how things work unless otherwise designated. No rule says mindless creatures automatically fail their saves against illusions. Unless you can find such a rule and cite it, mindless creatures get the same save as everyone else. No rule says creatures get multiple saves against an illusion spell. Unless you can point to such a rule in the book, an illusion spell works like everything else, and allows exactly one save. [Edited to clarify: If one victim disbelieves the illusion, and tells other victims about it, those others are allowed another saving throw. This appears to be the only case in which a second disbelief save are allowed.] This may sound pedantic, but I'm just trying to be clear. Your original questions were answered, and there's little or no room for argument, which is why people have drifted off on tangents, [/QUOTE]
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