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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 5966803" data-attributes="member: 6669384"><p>Why worry about "threads" connecting them? Why not include a thin layer of floor as part of the illusion? At that point you could include as many people or things in the area as you like, so long as they're standing or walking on the ground.</p><p></p><p>That being said, if I were the DM I'd probably ask what type of "object, creature or force" you were emulating that could appear as a crowd. And when you couldn't think of one, I'd say "No". We call that "Dispel BS".</p><p></p><p>Can you create an illusion of someone who is partially underground? As in, half buried in the sand or mud? Sure, why not.</p><p></p><p>The illusion of a mirror will look exactly like a mirror. I'd let it work like one too, otherwise any illusion that included a shiny surface of any kind would be busted.</p><p></p><p>Can you create an illusion of pitch black? Sure. And yes, you and your allies could easily see it for what it was, since you know enough to ask for that Will Save, and get a +4 bonus on it as well.</p><p></p><p>I'm not one of those people who gives victims of Illusions a Will Save each round until they see through it, any more than I'd let the victim of a Charm spell Save until they succeeded.</p><p></p><p>In fact, as the rules suggest, I don't give them a Save at all unless they "study it carefully or interact with it in some fashion". Simply put, there has to be some reason for them to suspect an Illusion.</p><p></p><p>Now the pitch black <em>Darkness</em> you talked about doesn't exist as a magical effect in D&D 3.5, so that would be suspect in and of itself. If you used an illusion of a different obscuring effect, such as an illusory <em>Wall of Fog</em>, you'd stand a better chance.</p><p></p><p>Now, would a Vampire recoil from an illusory mirror or holy symbol?</p><p></p><p>I've heard many people argue that undead are immune to illusions in general, though I don't know if that's actually in the rules. (While the SRD makes many references to "Undead Traits" for various monsters, the copy I have doesn't actually list what they are).</p><p></p><p>In any case, presuming that the Vampire wasn't immune, it would depend on what class of Illusion you were creating. Simple figments specifically don't include any effect other than visual, so while the Vampire might see a piece of wood or metal shaped like whatever holy symbol you were emulating, they could tell that it wasn't consecrated.</p><p></p><p>I mean, the holy symbol of the Celtic deity Dagda is a pot or kettle. Can you imagine how it would be if a Vampire couldn't enter a kitchen? How stupid would that be?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 5966803, member: 6669384"] Why worry about "threads" connecting them? Why not include a thin layer of floor as part of the illusion? At that point you could include as many people or things in the area as you like, so long as they're standing or walking on the ground. That being said, if I were the DM I'd probably ask what type of "object, creature or force" you were emulating that could appear as a crowd. And when you couldn't think of one, I'd say "No". We call that "Dispel BS". Can you create an illusion of someone who is partially underground? As in, half buried in the sand or mud? Sure, why not. The illusion of a mirror will look exactly like a mirror. I'd let it work like one too, otherwise any illusion that included a shiny surface of any kind would be busted. Can you create an illusion of pitch black? Sure. And yes, you and your allies could easily see it for what it was, since you know enough to ask for that Will Save, and get a +4 bonus on it as well. I'm not one of those people who gives victims of Illusions a Will Save each round until they see through it, any more than I'd let the victim of a Charm spell Save until they succeeded. In fact, as the rules suggest, I don't give them a Save at all unless they "study it carefully or interact with it in some fashion". Simply put, there has to be some reason for them to suspect an Illusion. Now the pitch black [I]Darkness[/I] you talked about doesn't exist as a magical effect in D&D 3.5, so that would be suspect in and of itself. If you used an illusion of a different obscuring effect, such as an illusory [I]Wall of Fog[/I], you'd stand a better chance. Now, would a Vampire recoil from an illusory mirror or holy symbol? I've heard many people argue that undead are immune to illusions in general, though I don't know if that's actually in the rules. (While the SRD makes many references to "Undead Traits" for various monsters, the copy I have doesn't actually list what they are). In any case, presuming that the Vampire wasn't immune, it would depend on what class of Illusion you were creating. Simple figments specifically don't include any effect other than visual, so while the Vampire might see a piece of wood or metal shaped like whatever holy symbol you were emulating, they could tell that it wasn't consecrated. I mean, the holy symbol of the Celtic deity Dagda is a pot or kettle. Can you imagine how it would be if a Vampire couldn't enter a kitchen? How stupid would that be? [/QUOTE]
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