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Message: <blockquote data-quote="zyzzyr" data-source="post: 188240" data-attributes="member: 1867">Thanks!Hi all,Thanks for the info.  I had looked through the PHB (obviously not well enough) and could not come across anything, so I house ruled it.  Everyone had fun, and that's the main point.An important point, now that I reread it, is that silent -> major image do not create a "touch" illusion.  It is visual, auditory, olfactory, and temperature only.Now, whether or not a dwarf fighter with Int 9 can "disbelieve" an illusion, even if he has incontrovertible proof, is probably debatable.  He ahs virtually no experience with monsters of this kind, or magic, so he might think that it's some special kind of monster, or similar.  Of course, he will undoubtedly realize that he is not taking damage from it, although it's very very hot (in the case of a fire elemental).  Probably another willpower saving throw (with an ad hoc bonus) would be in order.Similarly, if the dwarf announces he is going to run through the elemental, the DM might want to require a willpower saving throw - not to disbelieve, but to actually go through with what you planned on.  The DC would vary depending on the quality of the illusion, and the amount of proof the character has.  Once again, this would be a matter of house rule, and choice by the DM.Anyhow, thanks for the info!  I'll up the EL a bit to make up for it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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