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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9751018" data-attributes="member: 7030563">Me too on the 2E changes.&nbsp; It is one of few 2E rules we incorporated into our 1E games after 4E came out and we decided to go back.The problem with Dwarves and Halflings is they tended to be weak in combat, even when multiclassed with fighter.&nbsp; In the end most thieves in our games were Elves, Half-Elves or Gnome magic-users/Illusionists multiclassed with Thief.&nbsp; We had a fair number of Human Fighters who dual classed to Thief after Fighter level 9 too.&nbsp; Because of the way xp worked they would hit level 10 in Thief before others in the party hit level 10 in one class and were pretty quickly into a regime where they were &quot;good&quot; at thieving.Half-Orc Fighter-Thieves (mostly assassins) were pretty good as well, not as good as Dwarves or Halflings in terms of thief abilities, but much better in combat.Once Unearthed Arcana came out we had some Wild Elf Fighter-Thieves.&nbsp; Like Half-Orcs, they worked because they got a great strength bonus.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9751018, member: 7030563"] Me too on the 2E changes. It is one of few 2E rules we incorporated into our 1E games after 4E came out and we decided to go back. The problem with Dwarves and Halflings is they tended to be weak in combat, even when multiclassed with fighter. In the end most thieves in our games were Elves, Half-Elves or Gnome magic-users/Illusionists multiclassed with Thief. We had a fair number of Human Fighters who dual classed to Thief after Fighter level 9 too. Because of the way xp worked they would hit level 10 in Thief before others in the party hit level 10 in one class and were pretty quickly into a regime where they were "good" at thieving. Half-Orc Fighter-Thieves (mostly assassins) were pretty good as well, not as good as Dwarves or Halflings in terms of thief abilities, but much better in combat. Once Unearthed Arcana came out we had some Wild Elf Fighter-Thieves. Like Half-Orcs, they worked because they got a great strength bonus. [/QUOTE]

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