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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9122304" data-attributes="member: 18">We worked around the minis thing in 4E by me buying a 1&quot; hole punch (admittedly I did have to go to a very silly shop to find this, but it was kinda near Orc's Nest) and a few sheets of coloured cardboard, total price under £10, and a got a fairly large remaindered misaligned Chessex wipe-clean grid map thing (which was like, £30 or something), and yes I was being cheap on purpose because I was offended by the notion of minis. Then I just glued 1p coins to the back of the 1&quot; circles and wrote monster indicators on the circles (like K1 for Kobold 1 but of course it could also be Kenku 1 or whatever).That worked extremely well for the whole time we played 4E.I will say that had 3.XE not made us already feel like the game needed minis even though it claimed not to, I might have been put off by that. Instead because I really liked how 4E played from our trials, I just spent a little money.I think things that would stop me continuing to buy 5E stuff are:1) WotC continuing on the PG and only PG (never even PG-13) tonal path that they seem to be on. It's not something that makes me angry, it's something that makes me bored, and I've seen companies go this way before - it doesn't end well. It ends in maximum bland which isn't even that exciting to kids, let alone teenagers.2) Attempts to make it so we can't/don't own content beyond what they're already doing with Beyond.3) Deciding that the 3D VTT is the future and all design efforts should center around that. Unfortunately I feel like this decision may already have been made by WotC high-ups even if 5E's designers don't yet have that memo.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9122304, member: 18"] We worked around the minis thing in 4E by me buying a 1" hole punch (admittedly I did have to go to a very silly shop to find this, but it was kinda near Orc's Nest) and a few sheets of coloured cardboard, total price under £10, and a got a fairly large remaindered misaligned Chessex wipe-clean grid map thing (which was like, £30 or something), and yes I was being cheap on purpose because I was offended by the notion of minis. Then I just glued 1p coins to the back of the 1" circles and wrote monster indicators on the circles (like K1 for Kobold 1 but of course it could also be Kenku 1 or whatever). That worked extremely well for the whole time we played 4E. I will say that had 3.XE not made us already feel like the game needed minis even though it claimed not to, I might have been put off by that. Instead because I really liked how 4E played from our trials, I just spent a little money. I think things that would stop me continuing to buy 5E stuff are: 1) WotC continuing on the PG and only PG (never even PG-13) tonal path that they seem to be on. It's not something that makes me angry, it's something that makes me bored, and I've seen companies go this way before - it doesn't end well. It ends in maximum bland which isn't even that exciting to kids, let alone teenagers. 2) Attempts to make it so we can't/don't own content beyond what they're already doing with Beyond. 3) Deciding that the 3D VTT is the future and all design efforts should center around that. Unfortunately I feel like this decision may already have been made by WotC high-ups even if 5E's designers don't yet have that memo. [/QUOTE]

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