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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ConcreteBuddha" data-source="post: 495603" data-attributes="member: 3139">Okay then, I go away for a bit and the thread explodes. Not that I mind, of course... *grin*Anyway, I'm not going to comment on all of the counter-archer posts. I understand how to counter archers. All of the suggestions listed are viable ways of making archers completely ineffective. That's not the point, however, since there are a multitude of ways to completely negate melee fighters as well....A couple of points: 1) As to the rant on my playing DnD like it's a video game: It is an assumption that we do nothing but slay monsters. That is just not the truth. We do a lot of other non-combat related encounters. It just so happens that when we do get into combat, the two melee characters are completely outclassed. And combat is the place they are supposed to shine (which they don't.) 2) Raising the EL of the encounters a couple of notches would destroy the party, since one false move (or some unlucky criticals) would cause a TPW. 3) Since DnD combat is a hit point based system, dealing large amounts of damage is the best thing you could possibly do. 4) Rapid Shot is really good. It is far better than its equivalents, Flurry of Blows or TWF, because each of the latter need a full attack action 5' foot away from a monster. Granted, Haste can get a melee character into range for a full attack in one round, but then the character is choosing to be subjected to the monster's attacks. (Which is seldom the case for the archer.) 5) I will not use metagaming tactics as my lizardfolk barbarian to nerf the effectiveness of the archers. Example: I will not purposefully get in their line of fire nor will I travel 50 ft. in front of them. This is treating the symptom, and I'd rather fix the cause. 6) Seeking (SaF) is the dumbest special weapon ability ever. So is any PrC or feat that grants concealment reduction. (Although we all know this isn't exactly true; Speed is a lot worse.) <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> 7) Anybody else think Bracers of Archery are underpriced? 8) That's enough for now, I'm starting to hallucinate, as it's 5:30 am right now. Sleep beckons. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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