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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Petrosian" data-source="post: 500736" data-attributes="member: 1149">[/B]</blockquote>Just in case anyone is folled by this argument...Changing Rs to -5 and adding IRS (ugh) for -2 is precisely to make it like TWF/AMBI. TWF or ambi alone is very close to a -5, tho it varies iirc by weapons chosen so it might vary between -4 and -6 or some such. It takes two feats which do nothing else but give you the extra attack option to get to -2.You cannot toss in the prerequisite PBS and pretend that it counts because it actually does something worthwhile... it provides its own +1/+1 to the mix that stacks with focus and spec.Since i do not consider fighters spending feats on combat abilites extreme and since i dont consider PCs using GMW extreme considering its on wizards, sorcerers, and clerics lists... I do not consider any of this taken to the extreme. This is what a sensible party would be doing, using the abilities they have. Any fighter can have practically everything listed by 12th level, slightly beyond mid-level. Thats not extreme at all.if you consider archery, taking feats in archery, taking less than half your feats in archery, or using 3rd level spells, or later 7th level spells and feats sagaciously to all be extreme, then i can see your point.[/QUOTE]