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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Petrosian" data-source="post: 501086" data-attributes="member: 1149">"My point is you still have to spend two feats, not one, to get to -2/-2. Amb does reduce the penalities to TWF -- and you can still get an extra attack without spending ANY feats (albeit at a large penalty) which is impossible to do with a bow."Ok surely you realize this paragraph makes your position sound even more unreasonable?For MELEE, you spend two feats to go from "can make one extra attack with very high penalty" to "can make one extra attack with -2 penalties."For missiles you spend ONE feat to go from "cannot make the one additional attack at all, no way, no how" to "can make one extra attack with -2 penalties"Surely you see that the little point about not having an attack option at all shows RS to be even better, not closer.Anyway, you can keep trying to argue how PBS counts as a second feat but what we have here is quite simple...For MELEE, two feats each reduce the penalties for the extra attack and thats all they do. For bows only one feat reduces the penalties all the way down to -2 and it enables the extra attack to boot all on its own. A second feat prereq provides a completely different benefit. If thats fine for you and seems Ok and as far as you are concerned the PBS is as transparent as the second lost feat for melle, thats cool. i just do not happen to share that belief. Maybe others will see it your way.</blockquote>