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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kigmatzomat" data-source="post: 516816" data-attributes="member: 9254">I have been running a 3e campaign for 2 years and play "THE" melee fighter in games at various levels (10th & 27th).  All three games have had a dedicated archer.  (BTW: I'm not saying there aren't other melee fighters in the other games, just that I'm the meat shield that throws himself into the dragon's maw to try and make it choke).  As such my characters should be the ones irritated by the archer.  As the GM of a game with a high-dex rogue/arcane archer/Deepwood Sniper with all the toys, I should be irritated.I am not.  As a GM I can deal with the archer by hordes of easily killed targets.  The fighter cleaves his way through them without regard while the archer's primary weapon draws mutliple attacks of opportunity.  They are still effective in melee combat, but not nearly as such.  Or I use archers back.  Imagine the look of shock on an archer's face when a half-dozen goblins begin riddling them with arrows.  "Why me?" they cry.  "Because you have your bow out and can return fire" I answer.  When they go up in levels it's orc rogues using strength bows, getting the sneak attack on the first flight of arrows.  As the meat-shield I know there are times where I'm just a distraction, keeping the big-bad from eating the others by getting it to eat me.  That's because I can't kill it before it can kill them, but the mages & archers can surely put it down if given the chance.At epic levels we fought a lava wight once.  I didn't have weapons able to punch through the DR with any consistency but the archer had the "ignore DR" feat.  I went into mega-defense mode (Expertise, defensive fighting, shield, defender sword, etc).  The wight needed a 20 to hit me and I need to max damage to hurt it.  But the archer slowly ground it to powder while I kept it at bay.  Had I not been there the archer would have been a crispy.  Had there been no archer I would have been a crispy.  Teamwork.  I use it as GM so the bad guys can put up a decent fight.  I use it as a player to make up for individual deficiencies.</blockquote>

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