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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Corwin the Confused" data-source="post: 520906" data-attributes="member: 4774">Do bad guys have a network? Probably not the chaotic ones. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />A min/maxed archer will still be powerful after being dispelled.A smart archer would take cover from the NPC archers. Plus how many arcane casters want to fireball one target? But perhaps I miss your point.Partial rant partial speech begins:Artoomis, I do not mean to single you out. I just wish to address this opinion that seems to prevail on this thread. Sorry, if I look like I am flaming you.Archers have had a long history of success:The following are excerpts from this page<a href="http://sca.uwaterloo.ca/DistantShore/archery1.htm" target="_blank">Archery Link</a> "The bow and arrow has been the personal weapon of choice throughout the ages, and evidence of its use goes back well beyond 5000 B.C. The bow stands uniquely by itself as an effective and highly efficient hunting weapon and has been used continuously throughout the ages by most cultures, both primitive and modern. Early military records concerning the use of the bow have been recorded from countries throughout Europe, the Middle East and the Far East and has figured prominently in the success of numerous military campaigns throughout history. Although in modern times, the role of the bow has been virtually replaced by the use of gunpowder, it still remains the favorite weapon of many sportsmen. In fact, the bow, in its most primitive form, has been used to hunt big game throughout the world, including the African elephant.""References to the use of the bow as an important military weapon come from most of the early civilizations in Europe and Asia. ... the bow first gives rise to prominence as an effective military weapon in the 11th century during the Norman invasion of England in 1066."  There are instances where single archers can kill heros. For instance, when King Harold died as a result of being hit in the eye by an arrow.But archers typically needed large numbers to have a devastating impact on a battle. And they would need to have either long range or greatly protected flanks or higher ground or terrain that is hard to cross. At one of the most successful battles for archers, The Battle of Agincourt, they had all four. They were at long range. Their flanks were protected by trees as well as Henry V's troops. And they were up a rain soaked farmers field.You can confirm this info at this site. <a href="http://www.familychronicle.com/agincort.htm" target="_blank">Battle of Agincourt</a> Historically archery had the biggest impact on the way wars were fought. (Not  as much as guns had though.) As I said above there is a quote that says, The honor went out of war when you no longer had to see the expression on a man's face as you killed him. I agree specialists lay waste to their foes when they are in their favored environment. Isn’t that as it should be?Full Round RANT begins (Yes, I am hasted!):D&D is a fantasy role-playing game.For me I do not see archers as heroic or believing in chivalry. I like the old Cavalier that disdained the use of range weapons. But that is just me. In D&D there are no modifiers about archery in rain. Historically speaking, Medieval archers would refuse to use their bows in the rain as it would ruin their bowstrings. Also above there has been alot of talk about sundering of bows. In real life, how hard is it to sunder a bowstring. Or how resistant to fire or acid is a bowstring.The bottom line is that I too am ANNOYED BY ARCHERS! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> And I understand why if they were taken prisoner they had their fingers cut off. (Arquebusiers were killed.)Archers can deal out massive damage. And an Archer with a prestige class or classes is very powerful. But can they deal out more damage than a Theif/Fighter/Barbarian/Ranger who can use two weapons while raging and sneak attacking? Are Archers broken? IMO, no. But it is the responsibility of the DM to make sure that all the players are involved in the game. So if ConcreteBuddha has his ENJOYMENT of the GAME ruined by the Archers, then I blame an unimaginative DM.</blockquote>

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