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Message: <blockquote data-quote="wotmaniac" data-source="post: 5704074" data-attributes="member: 86117">My shop? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />More specifically, Phoenix, AZ.I was thinking more along the lines of a wet&dry erase surface.   With maybe a small place on the pull-out with felt (or something  like that) for rolling dice.Done.How does this suit you:1)  <a href="https://6523784579905502693-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/jjsgameplace/documents/TablePrototype4.JPG?attachauth=ANoY7cqeR4SlDNC2C2jsu0ejRk5YZh3XufGEiKQfgsVc_f1mM4GM9-slFtbyi-nGtELxDkfuq_MdNBecLDhGI10bfoRBB4sxdM4ccJiBDAoOkAnuM54caQ6trcmLN96IyT01T4JfgL9iNlwo9po65pLHj6EyZrMl0w-35HQ-6MyURqoiLt2GfWHm4ekEcrKfIvGV2jTyftn80eU64mm7-tt8GzW1S5Fm_w%3D%3D&attredirects=1" target="_blank">this</a>  is 110 pounds of iron sitting on a single, fully-extended pull-out ;2)  <a href="https://6523784579905502693-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/jjsgameplace/documents/TablePrototype5.JPG?attachauth=ANoY7cqygTxL2Y-EI5B1N4kc17NuBAW7WiWAO1LWUz3rJibnjqafo32gsqcMrifBCMOWmE_J-q-mG59ZS3y0oSbJEmsapL2RmRp7rtLbBer59p02867Jx2noCkqx0PGqMKQlIf77ZSm4WNYBy4owCXcqTsA__T7jzg-iIhbrvMmXmQWx088QIfB_2u7fVGIRXbtszZU3FQUp06XRDmrlwBOK9BWhT3MHJQ%3D%3D&attredirects=1" target="_blank">this</a>  is 600 pounds of humanity just chillin' out on the top of the table.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I've since developed a design that puts a 6-8 inch wide pull-out between  the side player stations .... this is where I could put cup holders, at  the customer's option. (btw -- the cup holders I've *tentatively* designed could accommodate anything from a 12-oz can up to a 2-liter bottle)This is not the only time this has been mentioned.  Here's my thoughts:I've already decided to cut at least 2-inches off the length of the  pull-outs; this still leaves enough room for books/laptops/etc and a  pencil/dice tray.As far as the "distance from the action" goes .... in the 3 years that  I've been using this, I haven't really experienced any problems here.   The pull-outs slide back underneath smoothly and effortlessly.  As I've  seen this in play in my group, if someone is currently interacting  with/negotiating the grid surface, then they don't really need  the stuff on their pull-out .... they push it back underneath real  quick, and go about doing what they have to do on the grid, pulling the  drawer back out when they need to (i.e., when you're done interacting  with the grid).  Someone would rarely (if ever) need to access both the  grid and the stuff on they're drawer simultaneously.  And by increasing  the depth (i.e., the distance between the top of the pull-out and the  bottom of the table top) from less-than-1-inch up to 2+ inches, that  leaves plenty of room for whatever you might have on your pull-out  (books, laptop, notebooks/binders, pizza, etc.).  With the addition of  the aforementioned "in-between" pull-out, this should resolve any issue  with drinks (or anything else that is much more than 2-inches high).But, YMMV.I'm also toying with the idea of having a shelf attached to the bottom  of the pull-outs, that run the entire width of the pull-out (as a  customer option).  It would only be about 1.25-inches deep (minimizing  the effect on leg clearance), but that's plenty of room for a couple of  standard-sized source books (or whatever).It might be a little crowded, but the 4x6 can actually work just fine  for a standard 10'x12' room (provided, of course, that you're using  chairs, and not big ol' couches like I do).Already working on it.  We've recently worked out this very type of thing (i.e., within the last week).   Also, they way we've worked the design out, you could even order and  add the legs later in the event that you later move in to a place that  has room for a dedicated gaming room.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" />One of my primary design concerns is to minimize the table's profile.  IMO, making the profile too deep seems really obtrusive.And furthermore, I plan on having multiple different graphics available  (I'm still working that one out, though .... any suggestions would be  welcome).You're spot-on with this.  The cost of materials would increase only  very minimally (if at all, really), but it's probably gonna add a few  hours to the build time.  I'm currently meeting with some professional  furniture makers to help me with this.   I've got a lot of refining to do before I even start my focus groups, let alone go to market.Now in progress ..... THANKS!(I've now also thought about minis cases, bookshelves, display cases, etc. ... we'll see what happens)I'm already investigating this .... I really like the prospects.I'm just glad he's all the way out in Australia. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />But definitely giving me some more hope.  Let's see : veneered MDF (as  opposed to hardwood lumber) ... drawers only rated for 70lbs (instead of  100+) ... ... and is getting away with charging $1700.  Once I get  things prettied-up properly, I should be good to go at my target price  point.As-is, they roll pretty good, if a bit loud and rebounding.  I'm currently working out how to quiet this down a little.That's what the pull-outs are for.  If you're gonna have that much space  between you and the gaming surface, then being able to get it out of  the way would seem to be a plus.I might go ahead and look in to being able to add some sort of fabric to the trim area, though (I actually kinda like that).My thoughts exactly.  Not to mention that you practically have to call a  professional moving team just to be able to vacuum underneath it.Which is what I was going for.  (btw, I hadn't even heard of Geek Chic until earlier this year ; and build my table 3 years ago)yeah -- that's one of the biggest (if not the biggest) concerns to which I'm going to be putting my attention.I will be having a 3x5 model, intended for up to 6 players.This is actually something that I had briefly considered back when I was first designing my own table.  I just may revisit it.I keep seeing this ..... and it's a point that I may have to eventually  concede.  I'd still want to put some basic protective something over the  wood (what good would it be to have the wood showing if all the  interchanging is just going to end-up scratching it to hell?).  Perhaps  some felt or canvas.This was something I came up with after refusing to have the end  shelves be drop-downs.  As it turns out, I'm obviously not the only one  to have come up with that (judging by the things I've seen in the last  few days on these fancy internets).Thanks so far, guys -- great stuff (and sorry for my delayed reply).Keep it coming.</blockquote>

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